The super short product life cycle of android is making me hesitate to buy one now because it always feel like the next generation is just around the corner.
This is commonly referred to as the Osborne effect. Apple have a similar issue when the rumours of the next iPhone start making the rounds.
With Apple it's likely less of an issue considering they have an impressive profit margin on their products and a strong lock on their target market. If the recently announced iPhone doesn't sound too impressive the customers are still likely to buy it as they're unlikely to consider other alternatives as an interim.
As mac user, I feel like they have a strong lock on me. Since product releases are infrequent and I wil own it for 4-5 years, I hesitate when buying a new one (I don't want to start 18 months behind).
Androids move fast enough that buying a new one you are guaranteed to find yourself a few months behind within a few months. But, it will only be a few months.
Yes, with Apple, arleast you know you've got their 'latest and greatest' for an entire year (and it will take Apple two years to launch a new model). To already see the Galaxy 3 now makes the 2 feel like yesterday's toy. The timing of this news suggests they're trying to attrack iphone buyers, but the overall feeling I get is they envy Apple. (Also because Samsung feels the need to compare their phone with the new iphone).
As far as I know, the Galaxy S3 was released somewhere in May last year. If Samsung presents the S4 at MWC in February, the release date will be similar.
And the iPhone releases are not always exactly 12 months apart from each other as well, right?
If you're a Hacker News user who wants an Android phone, you probably shouldn't be buying anything that isn't Nexus-branded. The Galaxy Nexus is great, but there's usually a new Nexus each winter.
Exactly the hidden issue here is whether you will have the newest version of Android or just be stuck on an old version. People are even still selling ICS capable phones with Android 2.3 today.
I don't get this. The S III has much better specs then the Nexus and with CyanogenMod 10 it runs great. Why is the Nexus so special other then being a AOSP phone? Also, camera sucks I hear
This bit is the problem. I don't jailbreak a device before I am ready to throw it away. I've seen too many issues with non-official hacks of various sorts. Nothing major; just rough edges.
Google are rumoured to be announcing several (five?) new Nexus devices in October/November this year[1].
I'll probably buy my first Android device when they do. As a long-time iPhone user, the Android device market has been utterly bewildering to me. It took me a while to discover that the Nexus handsets were the only ones that (a) offered the naked/unskinned Android experience and (b) received Android updates from Google directly independent of network provider schedules (I think?).
Allowing handset manufacturers to skin the Android UI and bolt on their own wacky additions, then letting carriers determine when updates are provided has diluted and confused the Android handset marketplace, in my opinion. As an end-user, it is not just a choice between hardware; I also have to work out which manufacturer has 'reinterpreted' the Android UI, and which carrier will let me update the phone. (And I still haven't worked out how OS updates work if I buy a second-hand device off contract.) It can be wonderful to have such choice, but the Android phone market is far more confusing than the iPhone one.
I might turn out to be mistaken, but I also have some level of confidence that Motorola's commitment to prompt Android upgrades will be considerably higher than it has been in the past. So for Verizon users especially, this should open up several possible additional models.
I'm in America, an American, and not Asian. I find what apple is doing repulsive.
- They are using highly questionable patents to discourage competition, are ruling their ecosystem like a fascist regime,
- forcing you to swallow their whole stack to work with any part of their ecosystem (e.g. you can only build ios apps on mac)
- their bundled applications suck (damn the "rainbow wait wheel"
- making disposable laptops, ipods, and iphones which is counter to the environment and very anti-consumer but pro apple pocketbook.
Although that article is definitely not substantiating their bias it's just a shame that brand marketing here has so clearly pulled the proverbial wool over the American public's eyes.
Home team advantage. Apple gets good reviews in the US (once you ignore the tech blogs), Samsung gets favorable press throughout Asia, and Nokia might having a fighting chance with Windows Phone 8 in Europe. I've seen lots of ads for the N920.
Dell Streak (Android) had a 5 inch screen and was released in early 2010. You are a perfect example of what strong brand soundbites have done to the public.
5 inches seems to be pushing it a bit. I think that the S3 is already at the upper limit for a phone. The 5.3 inches of the galaxy note is way too big for an ordinary phone in my opinion. My 4.65" Galaxy Nexus is a nice size, but I don't want it any bigger.
Perhaps they can reduce the size of the bezel to counteract the greater distance you will need to reach.
I'm inclined to agree. I really like my S3 but it's big enough already. I don't think making their flagship phone so huge is a good idea. Leave that for things like the Note.
Am I the only one that thinks 5 inches is far too big for a phone? I'm not sure how I feel about the 4 inch iPhone 5, but I'm certain I don't want anything that is 5 inches.
I want to know how people are fitting them in pockets. 5 inches IS far too big for a phone. That's a tiny tablet, and apparently is quite good at that...
Depends on the kind of pants you wear. My Nexus 7 fits in the pockets of my shorts and they're average size. (I tested just to see once. I don't carry it that way. :)
I think it's hard to determine before you let some people own one & see. I remember when iphones first came out and there was a lot of attention on the size of the phone.
Mobile phones started big & awkward & for a long time (10-15 years) size was the number one feature & differentiator. There were no inherent advantages to size. It fits in your car, it fits in your bag, it fits in your pocket, its comfortable in your pocket... It became a habit to think of smaller sleeker phones as advanced.
But, they got a lot smaller then they needed to be for us to carry them everywhere. There was just no tradeoff to size (other than price) so we kept going. We (or at least I) carried around walkmans that were much bigger.
It would be interesting if the standard size becomes >5". That implies it took us a fairly long time to figure out the optimal size.
From 4.8 (Galaxy S3) to 5 inches, the phone most probably will have the same size, but the screen may be closer to the edges (specially top and bottom), just like Motorola is doing now with its new devices.
>But Samsung has yet to decide whether it will use flexible display technology for the upcoming Galaxy due to production problems encountered by Samsung Display.
I see they have yet to decide to whether they will use a flexible display for a product being released in February. Thanks for the press release Korea Times.
Being announced in February, I believe. Availability will be somewhat later, if it follows the Galaxy S3 pattern.
If I remember correctly, the original iPhone went from a plastic screen surface to glass a month before the announcement because Steve Jobs was unhappy with it. Hardware specs are always subject to change based on feedback until the company is satisfied with the result.
The screen size of the S4 is expected to reach 5-inch from the current 4.8
Bigger isn't necessarily better. The iPhone 5 went with decreased volume and weight. I own neither, but it's an interesting case-study of features vs. benefits - and sales.
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[ 147 ms ] story [ 326 ms ] threadWith Apple it's likely less of an issue considering they have an impressive profit margin on their products and a strong lock on their target market. If the recently announced iPhone doesn't sound too impressive the customers are still likely to buy it as they're unlikely to consider other alternatives as an interim.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
As mac user, I feel like they have a strong lock on me. Since product releases are infrequent and I wil own it for 4-5 years, I hesitate when buying a new one (I don't want to start 18 months behind).
Androids move fast enough that buying a new one you are guaranteed to find yourself a few months behind within a few months. But, it will only be a few months.
And the iPhone releases are not always exactly 12 months apart from each other as well, right?
This bit is the problem. I don't jailbreak a device before I am ready to throw it away. I've seen too many issues with non-official hacks of various sorts. Nothing major; just rough edges.
They even provide an official tool for rooting.
There's pretty much no chance of bricking your phone, and if you go with a stable CM build, you shouldn't have any problems.
http://get.cm/?device=i9300&type=stable
... while the Galaxy Nexus has already gotten its OTA update. Closest I've found is the SuperNexus ROM, but even that's still glitchy.
I'll probably buy my first Android device when they do. As a long-time iPhone user, the Android device market has been utterly bewildering to me. It took me a while to discover that the Nexus handsets were the only ones that (a) offered the naked/unskinned Android experience and (b) received Android updates from Google directly independent of network provider schedules (I think?).
Allowing handset manufacturers to skin the Android UI and bolt on their own wacky additions, then letting carriers determine when updates are provided has diluted and confused the Android handset marketplace, in my opinion. As an end-user, it is not just a choice between hardware; I also have to work out which manufacturer has 'reinterpreted' the Android UI, and which carrier will let me update the phone. (And I still haven't worked out how OS updates work if I buy a second-hand device off contract.) It can be wonderful to have such choice, but the Android phone market is far more confusing than the iPhone one.
[1]: http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/15/3022682/google-direct-sale...
http://pocketnow.com/2012/09/16/galaxy-nexus-plus-rumor/
And all this is especially funny when you look back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
Although that article is definitely not substantiating their bias it's just a shame that brand marketing here has so clearly pulled the proverbial wool over the American public's eyes.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246378/samsung-galaxy-not...
http://thedroidguy.com/2012/09/samsung-predicts-galaxy-note-...
Sounds like not only are they not worried of the patent suits but they are going to thumb their nose at them too.
Perhaps they can reduce the size of the bezel to counteract the greater distance you will need to reach.
He's now fairly sure 5" wouldn't feel any different
Mobile phones started big & awkward & for a long time (10-15 years) size was the number one feature & differentiator. There were no inherent advantages to size. It fits in your car, it fits in your bag, it fits in your pocket, its comfortable in your pocket... It became a habit to think of smaller sleeker phones as advanced.
But, they got a lot smaller then they needed to be for us to carry them everywhere. There was just no tradeoff to size (other than price) so we kept going. We (or at least I) carried around walkmans that were much bigger.
It would be interesting if the standard size becomes >5". That implies it took us a fairly long time to figure out the optimal size.
With 1280x720 pixels I use it a lot now instead of my iPad and laptops. A 5" device would cut even more into pad and laptop use time.
BTW, the 1280x720 pixel display is so very useful. That should be the minimum for a smart phone.
I see they have yet to decide to whether they will use a flexible display for a product being released in February. Thanks for the press release Korea Times.
If I remember correctly, the original iPhone went from a plastic screen surface to glass a month before the announcement because Steve Jobs was unhappy with it. Hardware specs are always subject to change based on feedback until the company is satisfied with the result.
A few relevant links: Samsung's Flexible display evolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k6r2HQY9Ws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJEHp15Hoo0
If they put this in the S4, it will be pretty interesting to have an extremely resistant phone!
And of course, if they make a tablet that can be folded this way, that would be awesome!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_ADCTBKVE&t=1m25s