It's fascinating how much of this has to be devoted to "You are probably not seeing a laser. You are probably not being harassed by an organized group"
People who have delusions or people deep into their conspiracy theories have an insane level of insistence. They will refuse to accept "That's just not how that works" as an answer. It's scary.
Every biohacking community ends up with a page like this talking about implants. "Yes, we implant ourselves with little devices that interact with electromagnetic radiation. No, you probably didn't have such a device implanted in you without your knowledge. If you did, it wouldn't be much use to your adversaries. Please seek psychiatric help".
Sounds like the writings of a "targeted individual". Or "gangstalking". It's a more common phenomenon than people realize. There's even a subreddit community of individuals experiencing this
It very much reminds me of discussions of people finding or seeing meteors falling. The consensus is, if you see the rock falling, then it is not a meteor.
Both the lasers and the meteors have in common the fact that there are far more false negatives than true positives.
The section above seems to explain why this article is written the way it is. Many people do experience sensations or see things that we otherwise cannot. They may have heightened sensitivity or could have a mental or neurological condition that produces these experiences. Some people may feel like they are going crazy seeing or hearing things that aren't actually there. Others feed into the experiences and believe they exist, like targeted individuals do. Someone that may be unsure if they are really seeing lasers or feeling indeterminate heating may and hasn't totally fallen down the DEW or TI rabbit hole could benefit from seeing something that basically says "I believe you're hearing/seeing/feeling these things, there may be medical explanation so you may want to see a doctor."
It's ok. When someone finally weaponizes this for terror purposes, you probably won't have time to react before you're permanently blind. No sense worrying about it.
If you want more "human drama" read up on Hong Kong protesters' extensive use of lasers against police and security cameras. A powerful enough laser can pretty quickly render a security camera unusable. Ofc it can also blind someone (even indirectly looking at the beam) quite easily
A lot of helicopters today are being used to harass entire neighborhoods where complaints to local government go completely unresolved, so I can emphasize with that situation, not that I'd ever do something that stupid.
Its not uncommon to have them hovering for 1-2 hours straight 3-7 times a week, every week, at times with no active calls on the community police dashboard almost entirely between 11pm and 4am, often less than 1000 feet in altitude (high dBs enough to shake windows).
That aside, using a helicopter as a broadcast mechanism over a loudspeaker to a neighborhood is entirely unacceptable during hours people normally sleep.
Everyone is complaining and they've been doing that at least 3 years now.
How many times can you hear, "Missing person, or Felony Suspect", black shirt, denim pants, black suspect, call 911", or "suspicious person, black hoodie, call 911", before they lose all credibility. Around 10?
It seems really racist too, always hispanic or black, where the descriptions provided apply to most if not all people of those demographics.
Makes the average person feel like we live in a police state without due process or a rule of law when the only means to resolve is front-of-line blocked through local government which ignores complaints.
I shouldn't be hearing this at 2am regularly, some people work.
It's amazing to see how people are getting thrown to prison for years in the US and the same criminals getting suspended prison time/community service in the UK.
"They try to build a prison for you and me, oh baby you and me" ;)
Is there an effective anti-IR coating for eyeglasses like there is for UV? Seems like a good thing to have but a web search doesn't turn up much. It might interfere with facial recognition, but maybe that's a feature.
My backyard neighbor installed a backup generator with a very annoying green led that shines right through my kitchen window. I hate HOA's and I don't live in one but I really lost sleep about this. One night I just went a back there and put a small green sticker on the plastic case. Still shines on but the annoying glow shines elsewhere. Inspection passed.
Not to hijack your post with a PSA but I think you'll endorse it...
If you are building a product and it has any indicator lights please dim/diffuse/lightpipe them.
It seems to be a trend these days of ultra bright LEDs for indicators, I have so many devices I've either disconnected, dimmed or taped over the LEDs because it is so bloody bright.
So the LED on these generators is intended to signal issues with the machine to the property owner. The green sticker might be fine at first glance (i.e., when the machine is healthy), but when it switches to yellow (routine maintenance alert) or red (will not autostart due to fault), the owner might not notice.
Two additional ways to calm an indicator LED are with the modern self-laminating labelmaker tape:
* White tape -- Put 1 or more layers over the LED, to dim and diffuse.
* Black tape -- Use a pin to poke a hole through the tape, from behind, before putting it over the LED. (If there's 3+ LEDs, like on a network switch or server front panel, it will look neater if you measure the pitch of the centers of the LEDs, then use a ruler over the back of the labelmaker tape to match that with the holes. If the back of the tape has two strips you peel off to expose the adhesive, you can use that as a guide for keeping each hole level.)
You could also put black tape over white, but I haven't had to do that so far.
If my neighbor had come to me saying my genset indicator light was annoying them I would have marched right out with side cutters and removed it. It's a pity that people can't just talk to each other rather than having to resort to vigilante stickering.
On a side note, this site reacts to window size changes (phone rotation portrait <-> landscape) with a really nice animated shuffle of the content. It's more visible on the "Sentences" page linked in another comment [0]. I've not seen that before, and certainly wasn't expecting it on a site that is otherwise pretty no-frills.
The US military doesn't even use laser pointers much any more. Maybe for pointing at a map during a briefing, but not for pointing at the enemy. Single-pulse range finders, yes. Continuous laser designators are "Hi, I'm an enemy, kill me now." They were more popular in the 1980s before everybody else got IR sensing technology.
I dug around on this web page and found outlinks to:
The "Stop Gangstalking Awareness Group", and especially this page about "Understanding Neuro Weapons." LaserPointerSafety has not evaluated the accuracy or usefulness of this group or their information. (Thanks to M.D. in July 2024 for bringing this to our attention.)
I confirm, not kooky at all, to those people who went through the gang stalking and other types of harassment.
I am a victim of such harassment, for me it lasted for about 2 years. I have done something bad and kind of deserve the treatment/tortures. There is no issue there.
But what got me suicidal is not the gang stalking itself but absolute lack of support from the so called "normal" people. Everyone thinks you are insane, even when I pointed out the obvious signs, showed proof or pointed to ongoing situations around me. People would still find it easier to outright dismiss those, usually coming up with "normal" explanations of things.
The scariest part is when your closest people start to gradually loose trust in you and start thinking you might be crazy too.
During that time I experienced absolutely no real support from the police or doctors, no one wants to listen to what you have to say, every one is busy with their own life. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. That's where the problem is.
BTW, the stuff I have experienced with the tech these creeps use is quite amazing if evaluated without bringing the emotions.
Someone was harassing me for < 10 minutes with an illegally-bright green laser once from an apartment tower. I was busy protecting my eyes, so I didn't dare try to see what unit was doing it. I pointed one of my home security cameras at the tower to ID which unit it was and have evidence. They never did it again though. I was a little disappointed because I was ready to go to war.
> The line on the left is a trail of a flying insect, not a laser beam. It is a curved, short line segment.
That photo has some serious fisheye distortion going on though, so the line could very well be straight. Also, flying insects aren’t a common sight in freezing temperatures, and the photo clearly shows lots of snow.
Not suggesting that it is a laser beam, just not convinced that it would be an insect.
Regarding the mental illness aspect, Amal Graafstra wrote a page about this. He sells chips that you can have implanted (RFID, NFC, etc) and a lot of people end up contacting him after finding out about his business and ask for help with what they believe are chips inside them that have been implanted against their will.
Also a forum thread which continues to get constant activity. I feel incredibly bad for the people dealing with this. It is unfortunate that there is often absolutely nothing you can say to convince them that what they believe is occurring is not possible.
This sounds to me like a person that was teased by some teenagers and went banana apeshit and started a movement because he couldn't find the mean kids that were shooting laser pointers at him in lieu of him calling the FBI and local police repeatedly about how he was, "being targeted by energy weapons."
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[ 5.7 ms ] story [ 59.3 ms ] threadPeople who have delusions or people deep into their conspiracy theories have an insane level of insistence. They will refuse to accept "That's just not how that works" as an answer. It's scary.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Gangstalking/
Here's a fascinating Aeon piece on the phenomenon
https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-psychiatric-narrative-hinders...
If you can't explain why it doesn't work that way, there's no reason anybody should believe you.
Both the lasers and the meteors have in common the fact that there are far more false negatives than true positives.
"If you see light or feel heat from an unknown source"
the whole thing reads a little like a paranoia trigger.
What about LIDAR on self-driving cars?
I have heard that these damage cameras and I am curious as to whether they are equally damaging to eyeballs.
Do I need my tin hat or is there nothing to worry about?
Its not uncommon to have them hovering for 1-2 hours straight 3-7 times a week, every week, at times with no active calls on the community police dashboard almost entirely between 11pm and 4am, often less than 1000 feet in altitude (high dBs enough to shake windows).
That aside, using a helicopter as a broadcast mechanism over a loudspeaker to a neighborhood is entirely unacceptable during hours people normally sleep.
Everyone is complaining and they've been doing that at least 3 years now.
How many times can you hear, "Missing person, or Felony Suspect", black shirt, denim pants, black suspect, call 911", or "suspicious person, black hoodie, call 911", before they lose all credibility. Around 10?
It seems really racist too, always hispanic or black, where the descriptions provided apply to most if not all people of those demographics.
Makes the average person feel like we live in a police state without due process or a rule of law when the only means to resolve is front-of-line blocked through local government which ignores complaints.
I shouldn't be hearing this at 2am regularly, some people work.
"They try to build a prison for you and me, oh baby you and me" ;)
Did you try talking to them about it first?
Expects vandalism or more serious crime.
...put a small green sticker
Ok, good engineer!
Maybe a light bar for the rear of the car and some reflective material for the sunvisor?
If you are building a product and it has any indicator lights please dim/diffuse/lightpipe them.
It seems to be a trend these days of ultra bright LEDs for indicators, I have so many devices I've either disconnected, dimmed or taped over the LEDs because it is so bloody bright.
Two additional ways to calm an indicator LED are with the modern self-laminating labelmaker tape:
* White tape -- Put 1 or more layers over the LED, to dim and diffuse.
* Black tape -- Use a pin to poke a hole through the tape, from behind, before putting it over the LED. (If there's 3+ LEDs, like on a network switch or server front panel, it will look neater if you measure the pitch of the centers of the LEDs, then use a ruler over the back of the labelmaker tape to match that with the holes. If the back of the tape has two strips you peel off to expose the adhesive, you can use that as a guide for keeping each hole level.)
You could also put black tape over white, but I haven't had to do that so far.
[0] https://laserpointersafety.com/sentences/sentences.html
Median age 27 Male: 98% Female: 2% Youngest: 19 Oldest: 64 Median prison time: 12 months Median probation time: 24 months
All of the above were Copilot inferred. Don't know why I need to know the above, though. :-)
The "Stop Gangstalking Awareness Group", and especially this page about "Understanding Neuro Weapons." LaserPointerSafety has not evaluated the accuracy or usefulness of this group or their information. (Thanks to M.D. in July 2024 for bringing this to our attention.)
These are kind of kooky links: https://web.archive.org/web/20240509210655/https://stopgangs...
I am a victim of such harassment, for me it lasted for about 2 years. I have done something bad and kind of deserve the treatment/tortures. There is no issue there.
But what got me suicidal is not the gang stalking itself but absolute lack of support from the so called "normal" people. Everyone thinks you are insane, even when I pointed out the obvious signs, showed proof or pointed to ongoing situations around me. People would still find it easier to outright dismiss those, usually coming up with "normal" explanations of things.
The scariest part is when your closest people start to gradually loose trust in you and start thinking you might be crazy too.
During that time I experienced absolutely no real support from the police or doctors, no one wants to listen to what you have to say, every one is busy with their own life. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. That's where the problem is.
BTW, the stuff I have experienced with the tech these creeps use is quite amazing if evaluated without bringing the emotions.
That photo has some serious fisheye distortion going on though, so the line could very well be straight. Also, flying insects aren’t a common sight in freezing temperatures, and the photo clearly shows lots of snow.
Not suggesting that it is a laser beam, just not convinced that it would be an insect.
* https://forum.dangerousthings.com/t/so-you-think-youve-been-...
Also a forum thread which continues to get constant activity. I feel incredibly bad for the people dealing with this. It is unfortunate that there is often absolutely nothing you can say to convince them that what they believe is occurring is not possible.
* https://forum.dangerousthings.com/t/microchiped-or-frequenci...
...or you know your average Hacker News user.