mark the timeline by instrument release date, these evolution lines are nonsense. The TR808, TR909, SP1200, and MPC2000 release dates had more to do with the changes in sound of these genres.
I was initially a little miffed to not see Garage House and then I noticed that they have it as a separate branch from "traditional" house and you know what, I'm okay with that. It's more correct as Garage House really derives from the music played at places like Paradise Garage and The Loft, which pre-dates traditional Chicago house.
And then there's Ron Hardy at Chicago's Warehouse who played both.
This looks like it must have taken FOREVER to compile - deep appreciations for Ishkur for putting this together. I'm a huge chiptune fan so was happy to hear Rob Hubbard [1] come up on there as well.
A little history for folks seeing this for the first time: Ishkur has been publishing and updating this for over 25 years.
Truly one of the best artifacts of "the old internet". This gives me nostalgia. So many late nights as a teenager learning about the music I loved that seemed so inaccessible where I grew up. Thank you, Ishkur.
It's a nice website, but when I click on any music genre label, my Firefox asks: "Allow music.ishkur.com to use your HTML5 image data? This may be used to uniquely identify your computer."
I love this page to bits and I wish Ishkur would update it with more recent genres. Like where’s the amapiano, afro house, brazilian phunk, even future bass (which is half ancient at this point) isnt featured. His commentary is usually hilarious and spot-on so I’d love to read his takes on those.
I still play sections of that 15 hour mix a few times a week. The 50-70 minute mark has the chillest electronica groove. Feels like just driving around a cyberscape.
He talked so much shit in his guide that I was really looking forward to listening to the 15 hour mix to make fun of his taste but... it's hard! Dude's got decent taste!
This is wild. Just a couple weeks ago I was describing this site to someone and assumed it was lost to time. Amazing it is still around. Thanks for sharing!
Reading this at 10 was like when Neo gets the kungfu program loaded into his brain. Completely mind blowing. The wildest music I had heard was Mandy Moore on the radio. And now there is a whole new horizon, with acid and 808s and sampling and breakbeats. It’s hard to imagine what I’d be listening to now without Iskur.
Soulseek is still around (somehow) and thriving. Of course on there, discovery is more or less "check out the library of this person who had something you were looking for".
Yeah this is a seriously a great resource especially in how it goes back to the early days. I didn't immediately find an, "entry" for Delia Derbyshire but Daphne Oram is there. I remember spending hours on Wikipedia as a kid doing research trying to develop an involved understanding of what drove innovation in electronic music. This will put a future, "me" that much further along. Great work.
"Psydub is what the crusty hippies listen to when they get tired of dancing. Or when the drugs wear off. Or when they choose horse tranquilizers instead of LSD."
I've come accross this website a few times but only now clicked on the hamburger menu and then on "how to use" to learn that learned that you had to zoom in and click on a "button" (some kind of polygon approximating a circle?) to listen to the music. I think I tried clicking on the titles before and concluded that it didn't work.
this is one of my all time fave internet properties. it never gets old... and somehow it's still being updated?? new version looks nice, but i do miss that late 90s aesthetic from before...
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> music == inane "genre" classifications
Sorry, this can't be fixed. You'll just have to deal with the enshittification of the world.
It's a list/timeline of electronic genres and subgenres with samples and descriptions (informative + humor). The UI is also great.
And then there's Ron Hardy at Chicago's Warehouse who played both.
[1] https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/H/Hubbard_Rob
Truly one of the best artifacts of "the old internet". This gives me nostalgia. So many late nights as a teenager learning about the music I loved that seemed so inaccessible where I grew up. Thank you, Ishkur.
...but why?
Plus the one 15 hour mix across genres: https://www.mixcloud.com/Ishkur/the-longplay-15/
He talked so much shit in his guide that I was really looking forward to listening to the 15 hour mix to make fun of his taste but... it's hard! Dude's got decent taste!
Wow, it's still growing. That's amazing!
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45395396 (ctrl + f, "Velvet Underground" to find relevant posts)
Yeah this is a seriously a great resource especially in how it goes back to the early days. I didn't immediately find an, "entry" for Delia Derbyshire but Daphne Oram is there. I remember spending hours on Wikipedia as a kid doing research trying to develop an involved understanding of what drove innovation in electronic music. This will put a future, "me" that much further along. Great work.
"Pump your loins children."
Hey... H E Y!
That has been my favorite line from this for decades (at least that’s how I remember it going).