One, you absolutely can "outrun" a diet. If you've known anyone a little bit too much into fitness then you've known someone who has struggled to eat enough to maintain and build weight.
I had a friend who would drink a gallon of whole milk a day to maintain weight because he did so much at the gym.
I'm not saying it's healthy, but saying it isn't possible to exercise so much it's difficult to keep weight on is stupid.
Any beyond this, with tiny homes in dense neighborhoods and social norms that require parents to literally be watching their children 24/7 usually in their tiny home... yeah... the children are fat and depressed.
Lock kids in cages their entire lives and they have emotional problems and weight problems. Then you talk about physical activity like it's "training" and something that has to be scheduled and measured and doled out in just the right doses.
Normalize children having safe space to be by themselves outside in the world without constant surveillance and maybe they won't have so many dopamine addiction social media problems and obesity.
I don't understand the angle here? Go check out the cross country running team of your local high school. They will literally have to have carb loading parties for the kids so that they are able to do the run the next day. The article even largely acknowledges this with working with kids and exercise.
So if the myth is simply "we are fat because we don't exercise more", agreed. But the effectiveness of the new drugs is already enough to underline that point pretty heavily.
It seems that the idea really getting flirted with here is that the kind of exercise you have to do to lose weight is hard. And we seem to make it harder by loading it in such a way that people that do a crap job out there running think they "must not be a runner." Statistically, nobody is a runner on their first few years. It takes time. And is hard. Just like a lot of other skills.
This is true for the self control it takes to not lay in bed with your phone scrolling. Once you have built that habit, it is flat out hard to kick for a lot of us. It isn't that you are just missing that one trick to make it work. It is a type of hard work.
< think of Maya, a sixteen-year-old who started running ...Or David ...when he joined his local cricket team
A great point to expand on here is the challenge, and huge benefits of finding activities we love. Sometimes it might be an obscure sport that is hard to discover or awkward to find locally, but when we find the activity we love to do great things happen, not just weight loss.
I exercise a fair bit, and I still struggle to lose weight, I'm doing about 500 calories of movement a day, which means my maintenance diet is about 2500 calories. Trust me, it's really easy to go over that. So yes if you want to lose weight, it's just a fact that you need to look at your diet primarily.
I'm naturally skinny and trying to gain weight (muscle mass) and also do around 500 calories a day of movement so aiming for 3000 calories.
It just goes to show what a big influence baseline appetite and food choices make because I find it really hard to eat that much and always wonder how people manage it in just three meals
Is 500 calories of movement a lot? Googling says that is running for about 45 minutes? Or walking for 90 minutes. Doing housework would only need about 2 hours to hit that.
Almost all of the comments here seem to miss a point. Weight lods can be extremely difficult because : 1. your body metabolism will adapt really fast to caloric restrictions 2. losing weight is easy, not regaining it is a challenge in adapting your body set point 3. having enough time to exercise to the point where calories are a deficit is a luxury many can't afford 4.the psychological state of many people is a primary cause of their obesity, and fixing this is also a lot harder.
Most of these conversations boil down to disconnect between
1) weight managemennt is 100% solved process
2) that process is trivial for some or borderline impossible for some depending on genetic of enviroment factors IN BOTH DIRECTIONs, most of attention is just fixated on weight loss
James Smith, a fitness influencer on YouTube, had a video showing what it took for him to burn 5,000 calories then eat 5,000 calories. He set it to private for some reason recently but I liked to reference it for how long and painful both steps were.
A few other people have done the same feat or tried to: 5,000 or 10,000 calories challenge.
I don’t have the time to outrun a large blizzard (1300 calories) as a 90min session usually burns 700-900 calories according to my watch. I don’t feel like doing two sessions per day which is what Jay Cutler said he would do when cutting for Mr. Olympia. I think if I did, I wouldn’t be able to maintain it.
If you're a hobbyist runner, this equation very quickly gets flipped on its head. It's very difficult to make up the calorie deficit from a 20 mile long run every week. Throw two big races a year into the mix, and maintaining weight and muscle mass is the challenge. When I trained for ultramarathons, I sometimes ran two mountain long runs back to back. That put me 5000 calories in the hole every single weekend. I used to eat an entire large pizza by myself (2000 calories) and still be hungry 30 minutes later. There is an upper limit to how fast you can digest food, and that quickly becomes the limiting factor. I was not a professional. I ran as a hobby, rarely exceeding 50 miles a week. There are thousands of others who run at this level.
The one thing that has worked for me multiple times is using a calorie counter like myfitnesspal integrated with something like Apple Health and/or Strava. If it’s easy to enter food into the calorie counter and the exercise apps just track movement without having to do much, the rest is just ignoring the hunger pangs that go away after a couple weeks. That’s the hard part of course. :)
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[ 2.4 ms ] story [ 43.9 ms ] threadOne, you absolutely can "outrun" a diet. If you've known anyone a little bit too much into fitness then you've known someone who has struggled to eat enough to maintain and build weight.
I had a friend who would drink a gallon of whole milk a day to maintain weight because he did so much at the gym.
I'm not saying it's healthy, but saying it isn't possible to exercise so much it's difficult to keep weight on is stupid.
Any beyond this, with tiny homes in dense neighborhoods and social norms that require parents to literally be watching their children 24/7 usually in their tiny home... yeah... the children are fat and depressed.
Lock kids in cages their entire lives and they have emotional problems and weight problems. Then you talk about physical activity like it's "training" and something that has to be scheduled and measured and doled out in just the right doses.
Normalize children having safe space to be by themselves outside in the world without constant surveillance and maybe they won't have so many dopamine addiction social media problems and obesity.
So if the myth is simply "we are fat because we don't exercise more", agreed. But the effectiveness of the new drugs is already enough to underline that point pretty heavily.
It seems that the idea really getting flirted with here is that the kind of exercise you have to do to lose weight is hard. And we seem to make it harder by loading it in such a way that people that do a crap job out there running think they "must not be a runner." Statistically, nobody is a runner on their first few years. It takes time. And is hard. Just like a lot of other skills.
This is true for the self control it takes to not lay in bed with your phone scrolling. Once you have built that habit, it is flat out hard to kick for a lot of us. It isn't that you are just missing that one trick to make it work. It is a type of hard work.
A great point to expand on here is the challenge, and huge benefits of finding activities we love. Sometimes it might be an obscure sport that is hard to discover or awkward to find locally, but when we find the activity we love to do great things happen, not just weight loss.
It just goes to show what a big influence baseline appetite and food choices make because I find it really hard to eat that much and always wonder how people manage it in just three meals
i don't eat one day a week when i want to lose weight. the next day i pay attention to eat slowly.
and i do moderate exercise simply to keep the fluids pumping in my body.
(precondition being that when you eat all days of the week your weight remains more or less stable, including exercise)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44670590
Not if you exercise
> osing weight is easy, not regaining it is a challenge in adapting your body set point
Body set points are BS, its hard because people mostly just lose water weight and/or go back to old habits
when you're miserable and need a dopamine hit, food is often the only option.
made worse by highly addictive, heavily marketed, "bliss point" sorts of foods.
1) weight managemennt is 100% solved process
2) that process is trivial for some or borderline impossible for some depending on genetic of enviroment factors IN BOTH DIRECTIONs, most of attention is just fixated on weight loss
The problem is that physical activity is unnatural and not intuitive. Biology is about saving energy, not spending it to keep everything healthy.
Bad mental health leads me to do less physical activity. Bad mental health also makes physical activity more difficult and painful.
it's pretty fun.
just gotta bring a change of clothes
A few other people have done the same feat or tried to: 5,000 or 10,000 calories challenge.
I don’t have the time to outrun a large blizzard (1300 calories) as a 90min session usually burns 700-900 calories according to my watch. I don’t feel like doing two sessions per day which is what Jay Cutler said he would do when cutting for Mr. Olympia. I think if I did, I wouldn’t be able to maintain it.