Very positive to have a governmental hosted git/code platform, although I would still advise Gitea (it's not documented that pick is explored).
I'm a self hosting GoGogs / Gitea user for almost 10 years, I did follow the Gitea fork. However regarding the Forgejo fork: the main contributors stayed with Gitea. The ideologically forked Forgejo made some license changes and hard fork decisions that increased the maintenance burden even more, resulting in missing upstream features and decreased security. Forgejo is more busy managing ideals, than creating software.
> The ideologically forked Forgejo made some license changes
Lets be clear. These "some license changes" that you reference was Forgejo forked Gitea and replaced MIT license with GPLv3. Forgejo doesn't want to be contributing to receiving effort from contributors into a project that then gets re-used, re-branded, and exploited by a big corp. By making the project copyleft they ensured that the contributions stay Free. This was an ethical move.
Gitea on the other hand doesn't mind sucking up free-of-charge contributions and handing them to a company to build their walled garden around.
> Forgejo is more busy managing ideals, than creating software.
Can't say I agree with this point. Zig has been trying out Forgejo/Codeberg as an alternative to GitHub, and about two months into the experiment, almost all of our technical concerns with Forgejo (and Forgejo Actions) have been addressed, with the only straggler being a UI bug related to the Cancel button in the Actions infrastructure (which has a WIP PR open, and which also has a straightforward workaround).
I can't speak to the platforms themselves, but in regards to their CI systems, it looks to me like the Forgejo Actions runner sees more development than the Gitea act_runner. For example, Forgejo gained support for concurrency groups recently, which to my knowledge are still not supported in Gitea.
I used to self-host Gogs on an RPi half a decade ago. At least for the needs of 1-2 people, it was one of the best pieces of software I ever used. If someone needs to host their repos privately, Gogs is more than enough.
> Forgejo is more busy managing ideals, than creating software.
How many Elastic Searches will it take for people to realize that this is mandatory. Linux would not be where it is today were it not for some ideals wrangling.
> The ideologically forked Forgejo made some license changes and hard fork decisions that increased the maintenance burden even more, resulting in missing upstream features and decreased security. Forgejo is more busy managing ideals, than creating software.
And from other comments:
> When deciding which software fork to pick, it is about the development power.
> In my view they don't have the development to keep up with Gitea.
How do you come to the conclusion that Gitea has more development power? Looking at the Insights / Activities overview of each repository there were slightly more authors with more contributions to Forgejo over the last month. Acknowledging that this fluctuates I'd estimate that both projects are similarly active.
Also, Forgejo is actually dogfooding its development, which is much more reassuring than what Gitea does IMO.
This is brilliant, especially if this kind of approach was adopted in policy development. Chunks of vetted “code” that is transparently shared and can be used by other governments facing similar challenges…imagine…
I really really want the US legal process to abandon a certain style of incredibly cryptic bill, which contains hundreds of "the word foo shall be inserted in between teh words"-style changes.
It often seems like a trick to make is so that nobody really knows what they're voting on, as opposed to a wholesale "replace that entire section with the readable information below". I suppose, to be charitable, it may have originated as a conflict-avoidance strategy.
Ideally, bills would be changesets that can easily be turned into before-vs-after comparisons for legislators to review and approve.
It's a shame that oliverpool uses the language of "open source software", especially given that forgejo has a Free license.
Words matter, and this would've been a great opportunity to raise awareness to the problem of oppressive software. I think these days most people have an intuition that this is happening.
Not sure if it's mentioned because I didn't read the whole thing but maybe it's good to know for those of you not familiar with Dutch government that most open source code (and possibly even private code) from all Dutch government orgs is currently hosted on private/public GitHub repositories.
If they move to self hosted Forgejo (which I assume this meeting is all about) Microsoft is going to lose a pretty big customer.
And yes, (good) CI is still is a big blocker to move to Forgejo for any org (or self hosting). Hope they can speed things up a bit there now they now a gov org is seriously interested.
I used Gitea for a while. I eventually switched to gitolite and CGit primarily because Gitea (and Forgejo) force you into a flat organization/project structure. This makes organizing personal projects harder because:
1. you need to create an organization for each group (lang, tools, template, etc.)
2. you can't create more complex organization structure (e.g. template/python/python-flask-template)
3. you can't group projects with different top-level names (e.g. apps, tools, lang; such as lang/java and tools/gradle) or across a top-level name (e.g. by programming language such as lang/typescript and lang/python)
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Good to see forgejo making inroads as someone who also self-hosts it.
I'm a self hosting GoGogs / Gitea user for almost 10 years, I did follow the Gitea fork. However regarding the Forgejo fork: the main contributors stayed with Gitea. The ideologically forked Forgejo made some license changes and hard fork decisions that increased the maintenance burden even more, resulting in missing upstream features and decreased security. Forgejo is more busy managing ideals, than creating software.
Lets be clear. These "some license changes" that you reference was Forgejo forked Gitea and replaced MIT license with GPLv3. Forgejo doesn't want to be contributing to receiving effort from contributors into a project that then gets re-used, re-branded, and exploited by a big corp. By making the project copyleft they ensured that the contributions stay Free. This was an ethical move.
Gitea on the other hand doesn't mind sucking up free-of-charge contributions and handing them to a company to build their walled garden around.
Can't say I agree with this point. Zig has been trying out Forgejo/Codeberg as an alternative to GitHub, and about two months into the experiment, almost all of our technical concerns with Forgejo (and Forgejo Actions) have been addressed, with the only straggler being a UI bug related to the Cancel button in the Actions infrastructure (which has a WIP PR open, and which also has a straightforward workaround).
I can't speak to the platforms themselves, but in regards to their CI systems, it looks to me like the Forgejo Actions runner sees more development than the Gitea act_runner. For example, Forgejo gained support for concurrency groups recently, which to my knowledge are still not supported in Gitea.
How many Elastic Searches will it take for people to realize that this is mandatory. Linux would not be where it is today were it not for some ideals wrangling.
And from other comments:
> When deciding which software fork to pick, it is about the development power.
> In my view they don't have the development to keep up with Gitea.
How do you come to the conclusion that Gitea has more development power? Looking at the Insights / Activities overview of each repository there were slightly more authors with more contributions to Forgejo over the last month. Acknowledging that this fluctuates I'd estimate that both projects are similarly active.
Also, Forgejo is actually dogfooding its development, which is much more reassuring than what Gitea does IMO.
It often seems like a trick to make is so that nobody really knows what they're voting on, as opposed to a wholesale "replace that entire section with the readable information below". I suppose, to be charitable, it may have originated as a conflict-avoidance strategy.
Ideally, bills would be changesets that can easily be turned into before-vs-after comparisons for legislators to review and approve.
Words matter, and this would've been a great opportunity to raise awareness to the problem of oppressive software. I think these days most people have an intuition that this is happening.
If they move to self hosted Forgejo (which I assume this meeting is all about) Microsoft is going to lose a pretty big customer.
And yes, (good) CI is still is a big blocker to move to Forgejo for any org (or self hosting). Hope they can speed things up a bit there now they now a gov org is seriously interested.
1. you need to create an organization for each group (lang, tools, template, etc.)
2. you can't create more complex organization structure (e.g. template/python/python-flask-template)
3. you can't group projects with different top-level names (e.g. apps, tools, lang; such as lang/java and tools/gradle) or across a top-level name (e.g. by programming language such as lang/typescript and lang/python)