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I can't wait until people who want to run red lights and steer into bus stops have to pay exorbitant self-driving fees.
>“A human driver can be held accountable, can hop out, say sorry, can be tracked down by police if it’s a hit-and-run,” Ms. Fielder said in an interview. “Here, there is no one to hold accountable.”

But would a human even suffer consequences in this case? Else in the article mentions:

>The city does not track how many animals are killed by cars each year, but the number is in the hundreds, according to Deb Campbell, a spokeswoman for Animal Care and Control in San Francisco.

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>Waymo does not dispute that one of its cars killed Kit Kat. The company released a statement saying that when one of its vehicles was picking up passengers, a cat “darted under our vehicle as it was pulling away.”

In other words, it could have easily happened to a human driver, and all the uproar in this case is only because people are being selectively angry against Waymo for... other reasons:

>Still, Kit Kat’s death has given new fuel to detractors. They argue that robot taxis steal riders from public transit, eliminate jobs for people, enrich Silicon Valley executives — and are just plain creepy.

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>Ms. Fielder has strong ties to labor unions, including the Teamsters, which has fought for more regulation of autonomous vehicles, largely out of concern for members who could eventually lose their own driving jobs in other sectors.

Everything you read is in service of someone's business model.
> Jackie Fielder, a progressive San Francisco supervisor who represents the Mission District, has been among the most vocal critics. She introduced a city resolution after Kit Kat’s death that calls for the state Legislature to let voters decide if driverless cars can operate where they live. (Currently, the state regulates autonomous vehicles in California.)

If this had anything to do with safety, this so-called “Progressive” supervisor Jackie Fielder would be investigating what safety features would be feasible on Waymos: emergency stop switches or stop commands, under car cameras, questioning whether the Waymo detected the cat and then just forgot about it when it walked under the car, etc.

Instead, she is using this to secure territory for obviously less safe Uber and Lyft drivers who are represented by the Teamsters. Such a cynical politician.

An opportunity to improve self-driving to be even better than humans, who would likely not have prevented the accident either.
This story reads like the sugar industry calling out vegetables because someone choked on a carrot.

I'm sad for the cat, but this story is still borderline satire.

This is a farce. Handwringing about a cat while SF drivers kill hundreds per year, and SF policy kills thousands.
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Like I said when I first heard about this, if anybody really cared about that "beloved" cat it would not have been roaming around in the street.
Waymo was on a roll in San Francisco. It still is, but it used to be, too. (With apologies to Mitch.) This is utter sensationalism. Fortunately, the state's regulations have liberated the good people of SF from being able to shoot ourselves in our own foot on this particular issue.
People driving cars kill cats all the time. I would bet much more than self driving cars will. The overall number of cats being killed by cars will probably go down with self driving cars.

Letting your cat roam outdoors is cruelty.

Fascinating. I’ve viewed imprisoning a cat within a single set of rooms for the entirety of its life as cruelty.

They wish so clearly to roam, to hunt, to mark territory and to meet other cats. A full life excels a maximally long one, no?

Having jobs like uber and Lyft available - self employed on your own time - are terrific stop gaps when people lose thier real job, or need a little extra for thier familly. Doing away with them will create a much worse society.
Self driving cars have literally killed people and that didn’t throw a wrench in the operation. But a cat does?!
Only Tesla I think, and that is not really self driving.
The magician crumpled his hat and the bird was nowhere to be seen. "You crushed it!" Cried the boy. "No, you see" as he opened his coat and the bird flew out. "That's just a different bird that looks the same" protested the boy and his parents shushed him...

Later after the show, they boy returns and witnesses the magician dump a dead bird into the dumpster.

As zizek claims in his new book, progress is not magic. It is always relative to a system and always requires us to ignore dead birds.

In japan a taxi driver was investigated and I believe fined for killing a pigeon (failing to stop his car).

I don't think the Japanese revere pigeons anywhere as much as we seem to revere cats.

Absurd as it may seem, Waymos should consider cats in their safety program.

And GOOG has been smart in their PR unlike Cruise so I'd think they can appreciate that killing cats offends the imagination.

Justice for KitKat and let's hope Waymo takes cat safety to heart.

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