In-situ produced basalt fiber reinforced butyl rubber is likely to be one of the major building materials on Mars or the asteroids if humans ever get there.
I can understand basalt, as that is abundant on Mars. But butyl rubber, from where do you get that? Synthetize from CO2 in the atmosphere might work on Mars but on an Asteroid? But if you go through the route of synthetizing from CO2, why butyl rubber and not some other hydrocarbon?
That's interesting! I think of butyl rubber as being fairly expensive stuff compared to building materials—here on Earth, construction sand costs maybe 4¢ per kilogram, while polymers typically cost around 200¢ per kilogram. I'm not sure how much to expect that higher cost to transfer to Martian and asteroid ISRU, because I don't really understand where it comes from. Are you thinking that the composite you're describing would have major advantages, even if it's more expensive?
One use that fascinates me is with foamed concrete (literally mixing concrete with a foaming agent) can be used to create cheap lightweight, insulating blocks, slabs or pours. While it shouldn’t be considered “structural” (low compressive strength), it can be quite durable and withstand and dissipate very energetic impacts when blended with chopped fibers (like basalt). The exact use will effect the ultimate blend and resulting density.
Not a typical material for sure, but I do see it come up in some countries when someone is having to DIY a lasting shelter. For a lot of situations it’s quite a sensible choice, and much healthier than spray foams. Depending on how open/closed the cells end up and freeze thaw cycles, protection from water saturation may be needed.
This combination of materials is also sold as prefabricated bullet stops for training, meant for retaining lead in an alkaline environment: https://www.terrancorp.com/sacon
The problem with asbestos is that, due to its structure, it keeps breaking in the longitudinal direction, making thinner and thinner until it is the size of chromosomes. Physical interference with DNA is how it causes cancer.
My understanding is that basalt fibers seem to be glassy, not crystalline, so the breaking does not happen.
> Physical interference with DNA is how it causes cancer.
Is there a reference for that, because it's curious. (As in I really hope you have a reference to read.)
I'd thought I had seen that repeated scarring (from being not broken down) upregulates cellular replacement rate, or concomitant inflammation were suspect.
> First the basalt is melted at a temperature of 1,400 °C (2550 °F). The molten rock is then extruded through small nozzles for the production of filaments of basalt fibers.
One could probably add some other minerals to lower the melting temperature. Like is done for regular glass. I am not a chemist but I would assume most likely still way too high for plastic-like temperatures.
Looking at the web page is kinda ironic. A yacht builder proclaiming how much better the materials are for the environment. We could just build less yachts, for example. Nobody needs a yacht.
There has to be an interesting commentary here regarding the necessity of productive endeavours that pay taxes and fund local governments and drive investors portfolios into the black, all funded by useless largesse.
rock wool, and other names are used for basalt fibre insulation, which is quite brittle, and turns to dust with very little manipulation must be produced useing a different chemistry and process, but the same bulk feed stock, which I believe is just a certain type of foundry slag that is dumped in the millions of tons per anum range, while still molten, which is where the incentive comes from to utilise it then and there
just thinking about this makes me itch. A lot of heat wrap for exhaust pipes is made of this stuff. Works pretty well though, just not a ton of fun to work with.
>Basalt fibers also have high electric-insulating characteristics and transparency for electromagnetic radiation.
The killer application most probably UAV drone since it's more affordable than carbon fiber.
For drone you want lightweight, robust against weather elements and strong material, and at the same has electromagnetic (EM) transparency so not to disturb its wireless control and communication signal. Carbon fiber however, is not EM transparent material.
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One use that fascinates me is with foamed concrete (literally mixing concrete with a foaming agent) can be used to create cheap lightweight, insulating blocks, slabs or pours. While it shouldn’t be considered “structural” (low compressive strength), it can be quite durable and withstand and dissipate very energetic impacts when blended with chopped fibers (like basalt). The exact use will effect the ultimate blend and resulting density.
Not a typical material for sure, but I do see it come up in some countries when someone is having to DIY a lasting shelter. For a lot of situations it’s quite a sensible choice, and much healthier than spray foams. Depending on how open/closed the cells end up and freeze thaw cycles, protection from water saturation may be needed.
This combination of materials is also sold as prefabricated bullet stops for training, meant for retaining lead in an alkaline environment: https://www.terrancorp.com/sacon
My understanding is that basalt fibers seem to be glassy, not crystalline, so the breaking does not happen.
Is there a reference for that, because it's curious. (As in I really hope you have a reference to read.)
I'd thought I had seen that repeated scarring (from being not broken down) upregulates cellular replacement rate, or concomitant inflammation were suspect.
[1] https://archive.cdc.gov/www_atsdr_cdc_gov/csem/asbestos/how_...
As a 3D-printer user, I flinched.
https://www.windelo-catamaran.com/en/recycled-and-biosourced...
There has to be an interesting commentary here regarding the necessity of productive endeavours that pay taxes and fund local governments and drive investors portfolios into the black, all funded by useless largesse.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinylon [2] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/northkor...
The basalt fiber OP describes is not organic at all. It sounds more like asbestos actually.
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Heavier than carbon fiber and kevlar with lower tensile strength than both.
So, no, not unless it's much cheaper.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devitrification#Devitrificatio...
The killer application most probably UAV drone since it's more affordable than carbon fiber.
For drone you want lightweight, robust against weather elements and strong material, and at the same has electromagnetic (EM) transparency so not to disturb its wireless control and communication signal. Carbon fiber however, is not EM transparent material.