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Ad in the bottom left covers the UI when expanding the menu out.

I'm sure it depends on screen resolution etc but I'd love to be able to click links to the data sources.

Overall an interesting idea. I'd love to know the data source for the cost of the operation of the aircraft. Would be really interesting to connect a database of all aircraft types then present the ability to watch the cost of like "all American Airlines flights currently flying" or "all US military aircraft".

As someone who lives in central LA and has them circle my neighborhood frequently, actually shaking my house, I think this is awesome.

These needs should be filled by drones. Way less noisy, dangerous and expensive.

This is the kind of government waste that needs to be highlighted. Police forces consume a massively disproportionate amount of resources from our cities.
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/audit-says-lapds-use...

  On average, the city spent an average of $46.6 million on the program, the audit disclosed. It also found that there is limited oversight or monitoring of the division, its policies and practices and whether the program is in line with the city's safety needs. [...]
  The department has 17 helicopters and over 90 employees. [..] The city operates their helicopter fleet on a nearly "continuous basis" [..] The total translates to more than $2,900 per flight hour. [...]
  Additional findings in the audit disclosed [..] 61% of the flight time was in fact dedicated to low-priority incidents like transportation, general patrols and ceremonial flights — like a fly-by at a local golf tournament, roundtrip transportation of high-ranking LAPD officers between stations and passenger shuttle flights for a "Chili Fly-In."
Hang on, LAPD with limited oversight? Someone bring back Daryl Gates! Man the Ramparts!
Would using drones nowadays end up being much less expensive but with all the same necessary capabilities for police work?
This doesn't seem to work properly in Mac Safari. The map is blank except in a thin stripe at the top.
My first question was how much of this is labor, and from the chart provided at the bottom of the helpful link provided elsewhere (https://controller.lacity.gov/landings/lapd-helicopters), it appears to be around 60%.

I was wondering because I remember the last time I lived in Los Angeles in 2009 I went to a Lakers championship parade and talked to one of the cops assigned to crowd control, and asked about it when a helicopter flew overhead. She told me it's a great job a lot of them try to get because even 20 years ago they were starting out at something like $215,000 a year and were not expected to have any flight experience. The city just trained up regular patrol officers and tripled their pay.

Roughly a dollar a second which if you are a theater kid you know is about $31,536,000 mil a year.

Honestly not that bad considering it provides a real service. I mean how much does the city spend on lawsuits against corrupt cops and other employees. According to the budget something like $300 MILLION on lawsuit payouts last year alone.

Who gives a $hit about the helicopters. Build an app that tracks the employees causing these lawsuits that are still keeping their jobs.

That's if it's one helo at a time. If it spikes to 2+ then the numbers go up way faster. They have 16 total and I would assume 1/3rd can go up at a moments notice
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I find it interesting that the question is "why don't they use drones". My question is: why so much air surveillance? I live in Germany. The only times I hear a helicopter is if someone is being rescued or if someones missing. I rarely see them at all.
They're not usually doing surveillance on people, they're mostly used as a quick way to get eyes overhead when something else is happening--foot pursuit, high speed pursuit, just about anything really where an aerial perspective might be helpful. They can fly anywhere in LA pretty quickly.
Los Angeles is a massive city. To cover that much ground given limited police it’s sort of necessary.
The difference between rich and poor is way bigger in the USA it's been growing and growing since Ronald Reagan, while in Europe it has stayed basically the same.
The German eagerly commenting that, actually, it's different in Germany is becoming a defining cliche of HN comment sections.
We have more criminals and more crime in the US
Looks like there's supposed to be a map, but it only loads the very top edge... occasionally redrawn.

Hm, now on reload it shows a whole map... but if you zoom in it resets it and zooms out by itself at intervals.

This is neat but also has serious implications for criminal enablement.
This was circulating recently and is sort of funny:

https://old.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/1oolm68/lapd_he...

LAPD flies quite recklessly especially downtown, where they aren't even clearing the buildings. News choppers fly much higher, well over the skyscrapers, and have no problems getting very tight shots on whatever subject there is down there.

If you follow them on ADS-B you see they really aren't used that frequently at all for calls and end up in holding patterns with nothing to do really before flying somewhere else for a new holding pattern, until their shift is up presumably.

> end up in holding patterns with nothing to do

Cynical-me assumes those are the ones running stingrays/imsi-catchers.

Living in LA, the LAPD helicopter noise really is incessant.

It's hilarious to hear flying cops try to be intimidating through when dispersing illegal concerts or singling individuals out in non-violent crowds. It's impotent posturing and an obvious waste of money. They really don't need to send 5 squad cars and a helicopter for noise complaints.

I will say though that the loudspeaker on those things are surprisingly clear, even through the buzzing of a helicopter.

Blue Thunder wasn't just B-movie conspiracy theory paranoia porn but also contained a warning about technology authoritarianism and invasion of privacy, and police over-militarization.
What is the ROI?

During the summer of 2017 Denmark flew hourly surveillance helicopters and military SIGINT aircrafts over Copenhagen to stop Sweden-like gang shootings. It was expensive but worked.

“Sweden-like gang shootings” is not a phrase I expected to come across
I must say I initially wondered why the LDAP protocol needed helicopters… then I re-read the title.
It's just a matter of striking a balance between "what a waste" and "what a lack of law and order". So, like a pendulum swing, cut down all spending drastically, until people scream "where is government?" and then swing backwards, until they cry "what a waste". Keep swinging back and forth until you find the local minima. Wait, am I talking about gradient descent?
To those not familiar with LA or the USA, here’s a cultural time capsule from 2Pac circa 1996:

“ It's the, City of Angels and constant danger South Central L.A., can't get no stranger Full of drama like a soap opera, on the curb Watchin' the ghetto bird helicopters, I observe”

Pretty much still sums it up.

Kenneth Mejia, our progressive, data-driven controller audited LAPD helicopter use, and published his findings.

"The ASD program costs nearly $50 million annually while most of the flight time is not devoted to high priority events. Our audit found that the estimated annual cost to operate the helicopter program is $46.6 million (i.e., $127,805 per day or $2,916 per flight hour). There are 14 City departments whose annual budgets do not reach this amount;"

https://controller.lacity.gov/landings/lapd-helicopters

Publicly funded noise-pollution.