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It would be nice to have details:

It rewards or penalizes online services depending on whether they agree to carry out “voluntary” scanning, effectively making intrusive monitoring a business expectation rather than a legal requirement.

Why are all politicians so shit? Launch these no-good leeches into the sun.

Nobody wants this, including they themselves, which is why they specifically exempt themselves from it.

Even living nearby in the UK it blows my mind how quickly the EU proposes, kills and then revives and passes controversial legislation in such a short timeframe.
why are specifically the Danish so obsessed with pushing this through? it always seems to come back to them
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How they're packaging it now? Terrorism? Child porn? Russian agents?

Either way politicians prefer to push unpopular stuff like this via the EU because the responsibility gets muddied - "we didn't want it, the EU regulation requires us to spy on you!".

Suddenly it has become normal to scan face in 3D, nonchalantly demand copy of ID and passport, freeze people's money and demand full financial statement arbitrarily. Not only there is no push back but things are becoming more and more restrictive.

Authorities and banks avalanche everyone within their reach over all available communication channels with "warnings" about scams and frauds.

What direction are they aiming with this total control?

We’ve gone from “Don’t share lots of information online.” To “Submit everything on demand…”
Note how they exclude themselves. No privacy for the you only for them. We will all become lawbreakers in the near future as the voluntary aspect is enforced.
Why is this even surprising? Mass surveillance is not a new thing. It's been there since the inception of the internet. This only makes it "official" and is nothing more than a formality. We need to fight back by using decentralized and p2p software
It's not just the EU. OpenAI doesn't let you use their latest models via API unless you provide your biometric information. It's all about slowly laying the foundations of a repressive dystopian world.
And all this was done in a highly democratic manner, thanks EU!
Unfortunely it was to be expected, the mighty ones would not rest until they managed to make it happen.
At this point, it’s clear these sort of measures will go through, if not now but in some foreseeable future. What would be our best bet moving forward? Moving to signal/telegram?
As the most "good faith" interpretation, I feel like the only way to do something like this in a remotely not-insane manner with the assumption that there are good reasons where messages must be decrypted would be:

  * Each user gets a key to sign a message, there's also one for decryption like E2EE
  * The platform owners get a part of a backdoor key for decryption (per message) as well (call it another end in E2EE if you want)
  * The feds get a part of a backdoor key for decryption (per message) as well (call it another end in E2EE if you want)
  * A watchdog organization also gets a part of a backdoor key for decryption (per message) as well (call it another end in E2EE if you want)
  * If the feds want to decrypt something for actual anti-terrorism/anti-CSAM purposes, they convince both the platform owners and the watchdog org that they need keys for specific messages
  * The watchdog automatically publishes data like: "Law enforcement agency X accessed message Y decryption key for internal case number Z" (maybe with a bit of delay)
  * That way the users who have their messages decrypted can find that out what was accessed eventually
  * If the feds are snooping for no good reason or political bullshit reasons, they can get sued
  * If the feds are snooping too much (mass surveillance), it'd become obvious too cause you'd see that they're accessing millions of messages and maybe a few percent lead to actual arrests and convictions
  * This kinda rests on the assumption that courts would be fair and wouldn't protect corrupt feds
Obviously this would never get implemented, cause the people of any watchdog org could also be corrupted not to publish the data that they should, there's probably numerous issues with backdooring encryption that you can come up with, and in practice it's way easier to implement government overreach by "Oh god, think of the children!" and move towards mass surveillance.
this is basically how Chinese social media works - liability for 'problematic' user posted content (ambiguously defined by the govt...) is on the technology platforms themselves, so they inevitably have to scan messages / posts, taking a zero risk policy on whatever content type is proscribed.
I'm very curious what people in this thread think is happening now

Do you think Meta, Google and them are not scanning every bit of data hosted on their servers to ensure they're not hosting things they don't want to?

Do you think they don't cooperate with governments to share those findings?

I don't disagree that this push is silly, ineffective, and bad for democracy. We should fight it and fight for the right to privacy.

However, people are acting like we have privacy right now. What evidence is there for that?

taking away our right to privacy sounds like a good way to get a lot more of what you say you dont want!
What is also funny is that they are doing that at the same time that they are thinking about relaxing requirements on GDPR and things like that that are really beneficial to the citizens on the pretext to make the regulation easier for "innovation".
I thought chatcontrol was dropped. What happened?
Seems to me this is a kind of advanced persistent threat.

You defeat them one day, but they're still there, and they keep trying, day after day after day.

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Europe is no longer a place that should be considered ideologically compatible with the United States. At best neutral. The US should abandon NATO and downgrade relations with the continent.