and it's the first step back, which I love (and miss),
BUT
there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left!
All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking about this could be the very first step to do what I mean. EU in Brussel: you do not want to do it? and you'll be kicked in the butt: face reality, face real problems we have withing EU which UK listed clearly: maybe they will really be marked as irrelevant but we need to talk about it.
My very personal opinion is bureaucracy, fat bureaucracy, damned bureaucracy, expensive bureaucracy: believing you can have a better world by regulations IS stupid, and so on... the whole idea of an elite who is elite 'cause is using it's brain, while out there other need to be forced 'cause they are no (so should just obey and not use their brain) is stupid.
E.g. In the UK there is no ID card, you can live your whole life with no ID of any sort: yes, you need an ID (the passport) to go outside indeed: your address is stated by your electricity bill, or bank account address, and that is more that enough ... and it works! This while in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket... and, beside this, this ID even expire (!)
Ask AI for: "countries in EU where you can be arrested if you do not have the national ID with you"
Did the 'sacrifice' of many UK citizen who left meant something? did EU learn something from it different than: 'you'll see what you've lost, you'r gonna cry!'
Just tell whatever EU country to discard their ID card system?..
Denmark has no ID card for example. It might be the only one in the EU but it's not a problem. Noone is expected to to produce a proof of person on the spot to police here
> The UK quit Erasmus after Brexit, when Boris Johnson claimed the programme did not offer value for money.
Lol. Informed citizens with a broadened horizon would only pose a challenge to a small-party sized class of people. Conservatives love to create smokescreens and false narratives, but factually the meaning Conservative stems from the wish to conserve the power of the 0.0001%. That's why they never can come up with anything like a real agenda for you know, the res publica. Instead they have to resort to bullshit and falsehoods in order to trick people to vote on all kinds of interesting vibes and hurt feelings, but that have nothing to do with the damn fucking job of governing.
well, if one love to travel and love to party I don't see in it anything wrong, actually for both I would be surprised if it's the opposite.
As for the "free" I imagine you mean: at no costs so I would just add this to the obvious:
* changing country, language, house, friends, food, etc can be fun but it requires a LOT of energy and efforts: it is an investment for yourself but with great returns for society that is (partially) covering your costs
* a student with erasmus experience is a different human being: more conscious, more able to face bureaucracy, more able to get information, more autonomous, less prone to need public funds for his professional and personal life
* any student who experience erasmus have to face being accepted as a foreigner, as somebody different, with many many prejudices ... it is not an easy experience, but it makes you more empathic on all foreigners or different humans you will meet in your life.
Traveling and living abroad is the best defense against people being used as cannon meat in wars
"politicians love to subsidies because students will be forever grateful"
what is wrong with this? what is wrong with politicians doing to citizens what makes them "to be forever grateful" ? I don't get it, do you prefer the opposite?
you correctly used "forever", and if it is a "forever" it means you have not been fooled by a politician, for a short term benefit (like receiving money).... so isn't good?
Once again your answer takes me to the concept of consciousness, meaning to know who is the cause of your problems: don't take it too personal (it applies to me, too, soooo often), but if you feel somebody else is having fun traveling and partying at EU costs, instead of asking to stop it, why don't you pretend to be in it?
I mean, even if we are not young anymore to join student parties in a cool EU dorm, can't EU money being invested in helping adults traveling and working in Europe? and having fun? and enjoy life? why not?
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[ 4.1 ms ] story [ 23.2 ms ] threadand it's the first step back, which I love (and miss),
BUT
there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left!
All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking about this could be the very first step to do what I mean. EU in Brussel: you do not want to do it? and you'll be kicked in the butt: face reality, face real problems we have withing EU which UK listed clearly: maybe they will really be marked as irrelevant but we need to talk about it.
My very personal opinion is bureaucracy, fat bureaucracy, damned bureaucracy, expensive bureaucracy: believing you can have a better world by regulations IS stupid, and so on... the whole idea of an elite who is elite 'cause is using it's brain, while out there other need to be forced 'cause they are no (so should just obey and not use their brain) is stupid.
E.g. In the UK there is no ID card, you can live your whole life with no ID of any sort: yes, you need an ID (the passport) to go outside indeed: your address is stated by your electricity bill, or bank account address, and that is more that enough ... and it works! This while in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket... and, beside this, this ID even expire (!)
Ask AI for: "countries in EU where you can be arrested if you do not have the national ID with you"
Did the 'sacrifice' of many UK citizen who left meant something? did EU learn something from it different than: 'you'll see what you've lost, you'r gonna cry!'
grrrr
Denmark has no ID card for example. It might be the only one in the EU but it's not a problem. Noone is expected to to produce a proof of person on the spot to police here
Lol. Informed citizens with a broadened horizon would only pose a challenge to a small-party sized class of people. Conservatives love to create smokescreens and false narratives, but factually the meaning Conservative stems from the wish to conserve the power of the 0.0001%. That's why they never can come up with anything like a real agenda for you know, the res publica. Instead they have to resort to bullshit and falsehoods in order to trick people to vote on all kinds of interesting vibes and hurt feelings, but that have nothing to do with the damn fucking job of governing.
and politicians love to subsidise because students will be forever grateful because they got to travel and party for free
absurd EU!
As for the "free" I imagine you mean: at no costs so I would just add this to the obvious:
* changing country, language, house, friends, food, etc can be fun but it requires a LOT of energy and efforts: it is an investment for yourself but with great returns for society that is (partially) covering your costs
* a student with erasmus experience is a different human being: more conscious, more able to face bureaucracy, more able to get information, more autonomous, less prone to need public funds for his professional and personal life
* any student who experience erasmus have to face being accepted as a foreigner, as somebody different, with many many prejudices ... it is not an easy experience, but it makes you more empathic on all foreigners or different humans you will meet in your life.
Traveling and living abroad is the best defense against people being used as cannon meat in wars
"politicians love to subsidies because students will be forever grateful"
what is wrong with this? what is wrong with politicians doing to citizens what makes them "to be forever grateful" ? I don't get it, do you prefer the opposite?
you correctly used "forever", and if it is a "forever" it means you have not been fooled by a politician, for a short term benefit (like receiving money).... so isn't good?
Once again your answer takes me to the concept of consciousness, meaning to know who is the cause of your problems: don't take it too personal (it applies to me, too, soooo often), but if you feel somebody else is having fun traveling and partying at EU costs, instead of asking to stop it, why don't you pretend to be in it?
I mean, even if we are not young anymore to join student parties in a cool EU dorm, can't EU money being invested in helping adults traveling and working in Europe? and having fun? and enjoy life? why not?