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1557 points by lukeigel ↗ HN
Hi everyone! My name's Luke and I made the original Jmail here alongside Riley Walz. We had a ton of friends collaborate on building out more of the app suite last night in lieue of DOJ's "Epstein files" release.

Please AMA!

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dvrp
I participated on this project, but I'm not the main contributor. In fact, I'm working on running an ML model to get some nice gaussian splat visualizations of some of the relevant images based on the recent release by Apple's model: SHARP. It allows doing inference of a PLY point-cloud based on a single JPG image.

Hopefully I can merge some UI for it soon, but I'm away from my main computer right now.

EDIT: I'm going to text my friend Luke to comment and answer any questions about the project.

EDIT2: I am also happy to expand on the technical details of the project once I get a stable internet connection.

Retr0id
What benefit do you get from the splat-ification? Surely any relevant details are visible in the original jpegs?
fredrickd
the J suite of products grows larger
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aizk
Shoot I wish I would've have known there was a collab, would've loved to participate in this.
the_gipsy
The back button doesn't work
lukeigel
In which app? Photos, email, etc? Tested across each.
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noman-land
Of course the perpetrators of child abuse would be adjacent to child abuse material. That's why the material needs to be indexed, to make sense of it and round up the rest of the perpetrators.
jibal
Police and prosecutors have such a great time cataloguing criminals' activities--let's imply that they love crime.
muzani
I'm impressed. You guys cloned a whole suite of products in a short period of time that cost millions of dollars. Even the little bits of humor look costly.

On the other hand, it's way more information than I expected. I can see why someone would hesitate to release them - there's a lot to sift through and it's likely even the government couldn't sift through all of them to make sure their friends weren't mentioned somewhere.

lukeigel
Thanks! And it's a lot of info, yeah. ~90% of new data in yesterday's drop was photographs, which they redacted for us.

The House Oversight Committee's giant drop in November had tons of data we still didn't take advantage of even after doing the original Jmail, like flight logs.

For the Yahoo release, which is still ongoing, the folks at Drop Site News (see https://www.jmail.world/about) are handling the manual redaction which has been very time consuming, even with tons of AI to help in the background.

Alex3917
> You guys cloned a whole suite of products in a short period of time that cost millions of dollars.

At the risk of stating the obvious, the functionality isn't actually cloned, only the UI. The actual code powering Gmail probably dates back to the late 80s or early 90s and has had several hundred thousands of hours of work put into it. This is just a webpage that looks kind of similar.

I point this out only because I've seen people saying that software businesses don't have moats anymore because of this, which is taking away a completely false lesson.

JKCalhoun
"…there's a lot to sift through…"

A job for an LLM…

wayeq
> - there's a lot to sift through and it's likely even the government couldn't sift through all of them to make sure their friends weren't mentioned somewhere.

if only there were some kind of universal summary engine that never gets tired and is essentially free.

tonyhart7
"whole suite of products in a short period of time that cost millions of dollars."

but they just copy the "UI" not the whole product

huntertwo
> I can see why someone would hesitate to release them - there's a lot to sift through and it's likely even the government couldn't sift through all of them to make sure their friends weren't mentioned somewhere.

Jared kushner, is that you?

qoez
Well there's only 2500 emails here. They definitely had time to sift through these to make sure friends weren't mentioned.
Bender
there's a lot to sift through

The total archive size is 300GB. AFAIK they have only released around 2GB. Curious what is in the rest of it assuming it does not get [redacted] out or deleted. I am also curious how they intend to release the rest of it in time to meet the requirements of the act. Discussion [1] Epstein Files bill sponsor Ro Khanna and Hassan, no dogs being zapped.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT2u0Fp3hQg [video][1hr12m]

sh34r
> Curious what is in the rest of it

Probably a lot of CSAM, if the Mossad blackmail op theory of Epstein is true.

Bender
Maybe. I keep hearing that yet all I've seen are teens that would have been legal in several US states. Given they did not correctly redact the PDF's perhaps there will be some hints to actual children having been involved.
amelius
> I'm impressed. You guys cloned a whole suite of products in a short period of time that cost millions of dollars. Even the little bits of humor look costly.

The cynic in me would assume that someone with a lot of money wants to hide some of the emails and the best way to do that (at this point) is to release them filtered with a great UI.

the_arun
They also have “promotions” tab listing all promo content. I wonder is this real or mock data.
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downboots
> it's likely even the government couldn't sift through all of them

How could you tell?

sweca
Jemini is such a nice touch
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amarant
How complete is the material? I've seen "experts" in Swedish news paper DN claim so much is censored it looks like a cover up. Has that been your impression too?
kevin_thibedeau
Wonder how much that Clinton in a blue dress painting will go for.
rynn
Where did you get all the data? The justice.gov site didn’t have a mass download option that I could find.
sieep
Keep up the good work boys this is great stuff and is actually a pretty intuitive way to view the files, ive been sharing it for weeks now.
novoreorx
.world domain is a perfectly fit for this project, love to see more power brokers' profile joining this Jmail world
umrashrf
That's definitely more than 15 GB of free space given by Google! Great work!
stocksinsmocks
Epstein had a subscription to Intelligence Squared. I feel like his whole character has come into focus for me.

I would have put the “release” part in scare quotes as anything important has been redacted.

tacker2000
Incredible! Great work!

One suggestion: please add previous/next navigation on the images, so that one doesnt have to open an image, close, open again.

lifestyleguru
Everytime I watch these private jets and helicopters I wonder why flying economy class has to be so miserable in terms of horizontal, vertical, and leg space.
InMice
You added icons and functionality to go to the beginning or end of search/inbox - Something that gmail just has never budged on having and always annoyed me! One of the first things I noticed. I must not be alone on this lol