Interesting but for a country like china with the fact that companies are partially-owned by CCP itself. I feel like most of these discussions would / (should?) have happened in a way where they don't leak outside.
If the govt. formally anounces it, perhaps, I believe that they must have already taken appropriate action against it.
Personally I believe that we are gonna see distills of large language models perhaps even with open weights Euro/American models filtering.
I do feel like everybody knows seperation of concerns where nobody really asks about china to chinese models but I am a bit worried as recently I had just created if AI models can still push a chinese narrative in lets say if someone is creating another nation's related website or anything similar. I don't think that there would be that big of a deal about it and I will still use chinese models but an article like this definitely reduces china's influence overall
America and Europe, please create open source / open weights models without censorship (like the gpt model) as a major concern. You already have intelligence like gemini flash so just open source something similar which can beat kimi/deepseek/glm
Edit: Although thinking about it, I feel like the largest impact wouldn't be us outsiders but rather the people in china because they had access to chinese models but there would be very strict controls on even open weights model from america etc. there so if chinese models have propaganda it would most likely try to convince the average chinese with propagandization perhaps and I don't want to put a conspiracy hat on but if we do, I think that the chinese credit score can take a look at if people who are suspicious of the CCP ask it to chatbots on chinese chatbots.
Will these heavy-handed constraints ultimately stifle the very innovation China needs to compete with the U.S.? By forcing AI models to operate within a narrow ideological "sandbox," the government risks making its homegrown models less capable, less creative, and less useful than their Western counterparts, potentially causing China to fall behind in the most important technological race of the century. Will the western counterparts follow suit?
Hard to say, but probably not. Obviously limiting the model's access to history doesn't matter, because it is a given that models have gaps in their knowledge there. Most of history never got written down, so any given model won't be limited by not knowing some of it. Training the AI to give specific answers to specific questions doesn't sound like it'd be a problem either. Every smart person has a few topics they're a bit funny about, so that isn't likely to limit a model any time soon.
Regardless, they're just talking about alignment the same as everyone else. I remember one of the Stable Diffusion series being so worried about pornography that it barely had the ability to lay out human anatomy and there was a big meme about it's desperate attempts at drawing women lying down on grass. Chinese policy can't be seen as likely to end up being on average worse than western ones until we see the outcomes with hindsight.
Although going beyond the ideological sandbox stuff - this "authorities reported taking down 3,500 illegal AI products, including those that lacked AI-content labeling" business could cripple the Chinese ecosystem. If people aren't allowed to deploy models without a whole bunch of up-front engineering know-how then companies will struggle to form.
Even if you completely suppress anything that is politically sensitive, that's still just a very small amount of information stored in an LLM. Mathematically this almost doesn't matter for most topics.
and while china is all in for automation, it has to work flawlessly before it is deployed at scale
speaking of which, China is currently unable to scale AI because it has no GPU's, so direct competition is a non starter, and they have years of inovating and testing before they can even think of deploying competitive hardware, so they loose nothing
by honeing the standards to which there AI will conform to, now.
What do you mean by "compete"? Surely there are diminishing returns on asking a question and getting an answer, instead of a set of search results. But the number of things that can go wrong in the experimental phase are very numerous. More bumpers equals less innovation, but is there really a big difference between 90% good with 30% problematic versus 85% good and 1% problematic?
I use Deepseek for security research and it will give me exact steps. All other US-based AI models will not give me any exact steps and outright tell me it won't proceed further.
You mean like the countless western "safety", copyright and "PC" changes that've come through?
I'm no fan of the CCP, but it's not as though the US isn't hamstringing it's own AI tech in a different direction. That area is something that china can exploit by simply ignoring the burden of US media copyright
China has been more cautious the whole year. Xi has warned of an "AI" bubble, and "AI" was locked down during exam periods.
More censorship and alignment will have the positive side effect that Western elites get jealous and also want to lock down chatbots. Which will then get so bad that no one is going to use them (great!).
The current propaganda production is amazing. Half of Musk's retweets seem Grok generated tweets under different account names. Since most of responses to Musk are bots, too, it is hard to know what the public thinks of it.
Whenever I see topics about China on HN, I get this strong sense of unease. The reality is that most people don't actually understand China; when they think of it, they just imagine a country where 'people work like expressionless machines under the CCP’s high-pressure rule.' In truth, a nation of 1.4 billion is far more diverse than people imagine, and the public discourse and civic consciousness here are much more complex. Chinese people aren't 'brainwashed'; they’ve simply accepted a different political system—one that certainly has its share of problems, but also its benefits. But that’s not the whole story. You shouldn't try to link every single topic back to the political system. Look at the other, more interesting things going on.
i was a chinese, the real problem of china is people, smart people dont want to be slave of CCP, and some of them cant stand CCP fXXk their mind, so they leave, like manus.
but the badly thing is : the rest, if they are smart, then they must be smart and evil
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[ 6.0 ms ] story [ 40.7 ms ] threadIf the govt. formally anounces it, perhaps, I believe that they must have already taken appropriate action against it.
Personally I believe that we are gonna see distills of large language models perhaps even with open weights Euro/American models filtering.
I do feel like everybody knows seperation of concerns where nobody really asks about china to chinese models but I am a bit worried as recently I had just created if AI models can still push a chinese narrative in lets say if someone is creating another nation's related website or anything similar. I don't think that there would be that big of a deal about it and I will still use chinese models but an article like this definitely reduces china's influence overall
America and Europe, please create open source / open weights models without censorship (like the gpt model) as a major concern. You already have intelligence like gemini flash so just open source something similar which can beat kimi/deepseek/glm
Edit: Although thinking about it, I feel like the largest impact wouldn't be us outsiders but rather the people in china because they had access to chinese models but there would be very strict controls on even open weights model from america etc. there so if chinese models have propaganda it would most likely try to convince the average chinese with propagandization perhaps and I don't want to put a conspiracy hat on but if we do, I think that the chinese credit score can take a look at if people who are suspicious of the CCP ask it to chatbots on chinese chatbots.
Regardless, they're just talking about alignment the same as everyone else. I remember one of the Stable Diffusion series being so worried about pornography that it barely had the ability to lay out human anatomy and there was a big meme about it's desperate attempts at drawing women lying down on grass. Chinese policy can't be seen as likely to end up being on average worse than western ones until we see the outcomes with hindsight.
Although going beyond the ideological sandbox stuff - this "authorities reported taking down 3,500 illegal AI products, including those that lacked AI-content labeling" business could cripple the Chinese ecosystem. If people aren't allowed to deploy models without a whole bunch of up-front engineering know-how then companies will struggle to form.
Even if you completely suppress anything that is politically sensitive, that's still just a very small amount of information stored in an LLM. Mathematically this almost doesn't matter for most topics.
dont mess with the brand.
and while china is all in for automation, it has to work flawlessly before it is deployed at scale speaking of which, China is currently unable to scale AI because it has no GPU's, so direct competition is a non starter, and they have years of inovating and testing before they can even think of deploying competitive hardware, so they loose nothing by honeing the standards to which there AI will conform to, now.
China is already operating with less constraints.
I'm no fan of the CCP, but it's not as though the US isn't hamstringing it's own AI tech in a different direction. That area is something that china can exploit by simply ignoring the burden of US media copyright
More censorship and alignment will have the positive side effect that Western elites get jealous and also want to lock down chatbots. Which will then get so bad that no one is going to use them (great!).
The current propaganda production is amazing. Half of Musk's retweets seem Grok generated tweets under different account names. Since most of responses to Musk are bots, too, it is hard to know what the public thinks of it.