I wonder, if some countries are secretly conducting geoengineering - would it be detectable? would there be any hint different from "anomalous heating" we observe now?
It feels to me that every year breaking weather records is becoming, or has already become, the new normal. I can imagine people thinking "weather has always done that, big deal."
So, a clueless Luddite like me went and pulled the temperature reading database since 1903 and did the following:
- search for all United States
- excluded all 14,200 US stations installed since 1973
- average/median them the rest
Trend? Largely flat.
Did I jump the gun?
Were excluded stations like number 80238 (Arcadia, FL) being installed near heat-producing objects (air conditioning condenser unit, nuclear cooling towers, new parking lots) the cause? A valid cause?
Most of the top environmental organizations agree that we should not build nuclear plants. Many also oppose solar and wind. It’s important to remember this so that we don’t react in a knee-jerk fashion and try to build so-called “green energy”.
Of course warming is accelerating. Emissions are accelerating and the second and third order effects of ice cap loss, thawing permafrost etc are setting in on top.
We have known about this for a century at this point and it's still being presented like a surprise. It's not a surprise. It's exactly what anyone who's paid attention has been expecting for decades.
Over a decade ago I decided not to have kids because I don't think they will have a world worth inheriting. I've mostly stopped following these kinds of news because it's depressing but it's not at all surprising.
They've been telling us this would happen for my entire life, and everyone has been sticking their heads in the sand thinking it'll be fine for the next few hundred years and looking at me like I'm a lunatic when I tell them it's happening during our lifetimes.
But the coldest year we'll experience for the rest of our lives. Even if we get emissions down to zero tomorrow we are facing additional degrees of warming.
Instead of focusing on emission reductions we need to be talking about the best way to capture and confidently sequester CO2 on the tens of gigaton scale. In terms of size -- the carbon atoms in a decades worth of anthropogenic CO2 equivalents could build a diamond mount everest. A few hundered ppm change doesnt sound like much until you remember you need to integrate across the volume of the atmosphere.
As the study of the ice cores and the data gleaned from that ongoing study which contains many millennia of scientific data before our known intelligent human occupation some are not surprised. Many more however are going to learn from the result once again of failing to study history and apply what was learned from that education. Most are only concerned with their immediate vicinity that impacts them directly because until change is forced it is human nature to maintain a pattern. We only get 'pissed' when we are not the ones deciding to change our own pattern. This is the recognition of the pattern and the cycle of everything everywhere known and unknown. Change is the only thing guaranteed in life and your life too will conclude at some point as just yesterday I attended a close family members funeral reinforcing that conclusion. As we age we are confronted with a reality of progress, both in our personal lives as well as our global world. Younger generations choose not to accept that reality just as all the old grey hairs here likely did when younger too.
A major news site today released a story that relates to several recent HN past link shares and discussions including some of my own. As the ice melts on the caps so to does the pressure become less on those subterranean lands as the water is distributed in liquid form into oceans, where are the rising sea deniers as they certainly exist too. Our now spheroid will rebound in time and we have only understood tectonic plates for how long?
It is going to warm up in more ways than one if we do not first manage to directly eliminate ourselves versus the secondary affects which we can now directly measure and feel that are setting in from our human 'progress'.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 35.1 ms ] thread- search for all United States - excluded all 14,200 US stations installed since 1973 - average/median them the rest
Trend? Largely flat.
Did I jump the gun?
Were excluded stations like number 80238 (Arcadia, FL) being installed near heat-producing objects (air conditioning condenser unit, nuclear cooling towers, new parking lots) the cause? A valid cause?
We have known about this for a century at this point and it's still being presented like a surprise. It's not a surprise. It's exactly what anyone who's paid attention has been expecting for decades.
Over a decade ago I decided not to have kids because I don't think they will have a world worth inheriting. I've mostly stopped following these kinds of news because it's depressing but it's not at all surprising.
They've been telling us this would happen for my entire life, and everyone has been sticking their heads in the sand thinking it'll be fine for the next few hundred years and looking at me like I'm a lunatic when I tell them it's happening during our lifetimes.
Instead of focusing on emission reductions we need to be talking about the best way to capture and confidently sequester CO2 on the tens of gigaton scale. In terms of size -- the carbon atoms in a decades worth of anthropogenic CO2 equivalents could build a diamond mount everest. A few hundered ppm change doesnt sound like much until you remember you need to integrate across the volume of the atmosphere.
A major news site today released a story that relates to several recent HN past link shares and discussions including some of my own. As the ice melts on the caps so to does the pressure become less on those subterranean lands as the water is distributed in liquid form into oceans, where are the rising sea deniers as they certainly exist too. Our now spheroid will rebound in time and we have only understood tectonic plates for how long?
It is going to warm up in more ways than one if we do not first manage to directly eliminate ourselves versus the secondary affects which we can now directly measure and feel that are setting in from our human 'progress'.