I always thought the companies I worked for would implement chaos testing shortly after this talk/blog released. However; only last year did we do anything even approaching chaos testing. I think this goes to show that the adage “the future is already here just unevenly distributed” carries some truth in some contexts!
I think the companies I worked for were prioritizing working on no issue deployments (built from a series of documented and undocumented manual processes!) rather than making services resilient through chaos testing. As a younger dev this priority struck me as heresy (come on guys, follow the herd!); as a more mature dev I understand time & effort are scarce resources and the daily toil tax needs to be paid to make forward progress… it’s tough living in a non-ideal world!
Wish we lived in the universe where the term 'monkey' won over 'agent'. Would have given everything a cool Planet of the Apes feel.
I remember this getting a lot of buzz at the time, but few orgs are at the level of sophistication to implement chaos testing effectively.
Companies all want a robust DR strategy, but most outages are self-inflicted and time spent on DR would be better spent improving DX, testing, deployment and rollback.
I suspect Netflix built the Simian Army largely out of necessity, since at the time, AWS did not offer much native ways to deliberately inject failure or validate resilience or compliance at scale.
Today, many of these ideas map directly to some of their managed services like AWS Fault Injection Simulator, AWS Resilience Hub, or AWS Config, AWS Inspector, Security Hub, GuardDuty, and IAM Access Analyzer for example.
There is also a big third-party ecosystem (Gremlin, LitmusChaos, Chaos Mesh, Steadybit, etc...) offering similar capabilities, often with better multi-cloud or CI/CD integration.
Some of these Netflix tools, I dont think they get much maintenance now, but as free options, they can be cheaper to run than AWS managed services or Marketplace offerings...
I was reading this the other day looking for ideas on how to test query retries in our app. I suppose we could go at it from the network side by introducing latency and such.
However, it’d be great if there also was a proxy or something that could inject pg error codes.
I recently made a "garbage monkey" script for work which will spam random buttons on the UI to make sure that animations and stuff work correctly even if the user is somehow pressing things faster than a user could. It has been pretty useful in uncovering some problems, though it only works with "buttons", and wont do touchscreen events etc
I distilled these ideas over subsequent years into several talks on “Failing Over without Falling Over”. Investing anything in resilience without testing that it actually works is a waste of resources. Thats the underlying lesson. https://github.com/adrianco/slides/blob/master/FailingWithou...
I’ve been toying around with the idea of using chaos engineering as a method of training new on-call folks. My first ever on-call shift was during a major product launch for a FAANG and I more or less just hoped that’d I’d be able to handle whatever broke. I got lucky and it turned out that I can usually fix things when they break, but have also found that jumping people in like that isn’t exactly consistent. I wonder if controlled, limited outages (maybe even as a surprise) would be a less hellish way of doing it. could be a good way to build instinct under pressure without risking too much.
Killing instances of load-balanced stateless services is not that interesting anymore in the context of a mature service mesh. What is interesting is injecting failures or latency on specific edges of the call graph to ensure that “fail open” dependencies really are. This is accomplished with context propagation, baggage, middleware, and L7 proxies rather than killing anything at the VM/container level. Even iptables rules turned out to not be a very good approach since most destinations would have many, constantly cycling IPs and ports.
In the stateful world, chaos testing is useful, but you really want to be treating every possible combination of failures at every possible application state, theoretically with something like TLA or experimentally with something like Antithesis. The scenarios that you can enumerate and configure manually are just scratching the surface.
Chaos testing is such an interesting idea. At my last job we didn’t have access to any of these tools. So I made a poor man’s chaos testing library for Java and spring services. At the application level we would inject random faults into method calls.
It doesn’t test nearly as much as the real tools can, but it did find some bugs in our workflow engine where it wouldn’t properly resume failed tasks.
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[ 4.3 ms ] story [ 31.9 ms ] threadI think the companies I worked for were prioritizing working on no issue deployments (built from a series of documented and undocumented manual processes!) rather than making services resilient through chaos testing. As a younger dev this priority struck me as heresy (come on guys, follow the herd!); as a more mature dev I understand time & effort are scarce resources and the daily toil tax needs to be paid to make forward progress… it’s tough living in a non-ideal world!
I remember this getting a lot of buzz at the time, but few orgs are at the level of sophistication to implement chaos testing effectively.
Companies all want a robust DR strategy, but most outages are self-inflicted and time spent on DR would be better spent improving DX, testing, deployment and rollback.
Today, many of these ideas map directly to some of their managed services like AWS Fault Injection Simulator, AWS Resilience Hub, or AWS Config, AWS Inspector, Security Hub, GuardDuty, and IAM Access Analyzer for example.
There is also a big third-party ecosystem (Gremlin, LitmusChaos, Chaos Mesh, Steadybit, etc...) offering similar capabilities, often with better multi-cloud or CI/CD integration.
Some of these Netflix tools, I dont think they get much maintenance now, but as free options, they can be cheaper to run than AWS managed services or Marketplace offerings...
I was reading this the other day looking for ideas on how to test query retries in our app. I suppose we could go at it from the network side by introducing latency and such.
However, it’d be great if there also was a proxy or something that could inject pg error codes.
In the stateful world, chaos testing is useful, but you really want to be treating every possible combination of failures at every possible application state, theoretically with something like TLA or experimentally with something like Antithesis. The scenarios that you can enumerate and configure manually are just scratching the surface.
It's been 15 years. Aws still sucks compared to your own hardware on so many levels, and total Roi is dropping.
It doesn’t test nearly as much as the real tools can, but it did find some bugs in our workflow engine where it wouldn’t properly resume failed tasks.