It's a YOLO presidency, so sure, why not? Time and time again we've cycled:
1. That's outrageous
2. He's joking
3. But what if he's not joking?
4. We're doing it
Sometimes it stops at 2, but Trump is definitely like that awkward teenage boy who says to the girl he secretly likes, "What if we just, like, made out? That would be crazy, right?"
Holland is a stupid lap dog of the US. They didn't even want to issue a statement condemning the Venezuela operation. It's the most strongly neoliberal country left in the EU since the British left. Also always falling over themselves to apologise for Israeli war crimes. This is why Rutte became SG of NATO, his neoliberal oligarch party was always an American lapdog.
I don't expect any kind of action from them about Greenland. Denmark maybe, they're also pretty right-wing but it affects them directly. And Spain which have much less of an issue giving a middle finger to Trump.
Supposing that it's done, one of the things I wander about is whether the EU and the Danes would understand that it's war and act accordingly-- i.e. would the ships stop, would the transatlantic flights stop, would US firms in Europe get told that they're now independent EU subsidiaries unconnected with their parent companies, would Americans in the EU be interned, etc.-- i.e would people react in the normal way that one does when one is at war.
Obviously they'd have to, but I'm curious about whether they'd do it on the first day, or whether they'd sort of wonder around half-understanding "is this war?"
I've gotten an impression from the Danes through this whole affair that they're not getting it and I wonder how little people understand in general, whether war is so foreign to them that they can't react appropriately.
The US did appoint a representative for Greenland a few weeks ago. It is not inconceiveable that at some point in the future they will let Denmark know that Greeland is a US territory and that’s that.
And realistically, if this happens, in the next 3 years there is nothing anyone can do anything about it.
It wont happen unless you want the US bases in Europe kicked out fast and every
terror atempt done by the US answered by a massive company expulsion from Europe
starting from Mastercard and Visa and everyone forced to migrate to local banks.
Which would become a very interesting situation from a geopolitical POV.
Because Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, i.e. a NATO country.
Which means Denmark could declare war AND invoke NATO Article 5 against the United States:
"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security."
Which means not only Denmark, but also Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, and the United Kingdom will immediately be in a state of war with a founding member of NATO - namely the United States. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO)
> Katie Miller, the former administration official-turned-podcaster and wife of deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller, posted an image on her X account on Saturday showing a map of Greenland colored by the American flag with a one-word caption: “SOON.” [0]
Great, the USA collectively decided to elect not only stupid arrogants, it selected the violent ones.
What's the goalpost now to call this administration fascist?
True exaggeration. The US had the chance to take Norway before they become millionaires from fishermen. Greenland is a possible target but in the (very) far future. Venezuela is the current easy target which will suffer immensely from the Oil-curse syndrome.
Flagged? As in flagged we’re the US company, obviously Republican, obviously trump supporting? Or just ‘meh, sorry, more comments then the likes, cannot do anything’?
You won't be reading about the end of the world on HN either, it will be flagged as off topic. HN is a lot of good things but there are also some very annoying sharp edges and abuse of flagging privileges is definitely one of those. But you take the good with the bad.
I don't see this is happening, it's a tremendous death from removing a dictator who's authority was legitimate, to invading Greenland. I just don't see that and I think this is more click bait and rage bait. I don't agree with how it was done, but I'm glad to see maduro gone, but it's opened a very, very, very dangerous door.....
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 55.3 ms ] threadwouldn't the dutch use force to fight the US if the US ever attempted that?
that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US
I don't expect any kind of action from them about Greenland. Denmark maybe, they're also pretty right-wing but it affects them directly. And Spain which have much less of an issue giving a middle finger to Trump.
It will antagonise not only Denmark, but the whole of Europe - govs & people - to a point where USA might find it's all alone in the world.
That'll be the beginning of the end for the empire.
Obviously they'd have to, but I'm curious about whether they'd do it on the first day, or whether they'd sort of wonder around half-understanding "is this war?"
I've gotten an impression from the Danes through this whole affair that they're not getting it and I wonder how little people understand in general, whether war is so foreign to them that they can't react appropriately.
And realistically, if this happens, in the next 3 years there is nothing anyone can do anything about it.
We live in interesting times.
If you want a 1929 on steroids, do that.
Because Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, i.e. a NATO country.
Which means Denmark could declare war AND invoke NATO Article 5 against the United States:
"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security."
https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/official-texts-and-resource...
Which means not only Denmark, but also Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, and the United Kingdom will immediately be in a state of war with a founding member of NATO - namely the United States. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO)
Great, the USA collectively decided to elect not only stupid arrogants, it selected the violent ones.
What's the goalpost now to call this administration fascist?
[0] https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/03/trump-venezela-mexi...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g0zg974v1o
The president says Greenland needs to be a part of the US, and he wont rule out using military force.
The wife of one of his cabinet members tweets a picture where Greenland belongs to the US and captions it "SOON".
How is Denmark supposed the respond when the president is actively threatening them?
You have been acclimated to having a president who says crazy things. This is not normal.
I think almost nobody sees it actually happening, but just the fact that he is saying these things is insane.
> SOON
https://x.com/KatieMiller/status/2007541679293944266#m
https://xcancel.com/KatieMiller/status/2007541679293944266#m
Stephen Miller Asserts U.S. Has Right to Take Greenland
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46509694
Here is a clip:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tidejP41CBk
so is there a thing like international law that really exists? or you only apply it when it benefits you?