As an American who is a current grad student at Purdue this sucks. I've met great grad students from all around and it's sad that these exact sorts of really smart people have had increasing difficulty in coming to the US and staying here.
That's the issue. A lot of these undoubtedly smart people are going back home and start working for companies developing technologies aimed at dismantling the western civilization as we know it.
This is sad but not unexpected. It’s a huge boon for China, since that talent is much more likely to stay in China now. Everyone thought Trump was a Russian mole, but increasingly it is the Chinese who are benefiting from his policies.
The article says nothing about English language skills. It says:
'University officials have described the unwritten policy as a prudent response to the current uncertainty facing Chinese and other foreign students when they apply for visas to study in the United States. “They are telling us that these foreign students may not show up if we offer them a position,” the faculty member says. “And that could jeopardize our research.”'
My wife teachers in universities in London, and the issue of Chinese students turning up with little or no English is real, often having paid for someone else to take the required English language tests for them. She has had students write their essays in Chinese and then just copied and pasted from Google Translate, generating utterly unintelligible dross. But that is definitively not the explanation here - this is all Chinese students, proficient in English or not.
If you have grievances with some foreign students having terrible English language skills, regardless of how well it generalizes to the student's country, why would you complain about those students? Wouldn't you rather complain about how badly standardized tests like TOEFL are at evaluating admitted students? Or complain about how universities don't set the standard high enough? Foreign students need a good enough score on a standardized English test to study in US universities. Overall this is a confusing comment.
It’s great place for grad school. Very little to do other than study and lab work. Play soccer with the grad students, float on the river in the summer, shoot potato gun cannons in corn fields, but otherwise there’s nothing better to do than work on a PhD.
I’d recommend it for grad school. But then yea time to move on.
While some will cry this is racism against Chinese students, it is not. The reality is that Chinese students are here only with permission of the Chinese government and are beholden in many ways to the ruling Chinese communist party:
The PRC exerts great pressure on Chinese immigrants even after they become U.S. citizens. One need only to look at the case of the head of R&D at Coca-Cola who was convicted of stealing trade secrets for China:
So yes, China is an economic rival and they go to great lengths to steal U.S. trade secrets. So why should we help educate the students of an economic and military rival?
How much of this is specific to Chinese and not just part of the general visa woes and lack of federal funding for programs now?
I know that grad school is the main way for Chinese to get into the US but seems like it’s a bit sensational of a headline? Doesn’t sound Chinese specific…
While I am highly suspicious of "perdue's" motives, there is the reality of china bieng
so huge that they could easily fill all the openings in many many western universities, litteraly, without trying.
Also trying to get good comunication and verification from the Chinese end, can be a throw your hands in the air frustration, that for, in this case an admissions department, might just go, fuck it, I know I have.
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My wife teachers in universities in London, and the issue of Chinese students turning up with little or no English is real, often having paid for someone else to take the required English language tests for them. She has had students write their essays in Chinese and then just copied and pasted from Google Translate, generating utterly unintelligible dross. But that is definitively not the explanation here - this is all Chinese students, proficient in English or not.
No buts.
These students had already received an acceptance letter, so possibly they already turned down other positions based on that letter.
I’d recommend it for grad school. But then yea time to move on.
https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china...
https://stanfordreview.org/investigation-uncovering-chinese-...
The PRC exerts great pressure on Chinese immigrants even after they become U.S. citizens. One need only to look at the case of the head of R&D at Coca-Cola who was convicted of stealing trade secrets for China:
https://cen.acs.org/materials/polymers/Chemist-convicted-of-...
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/theft-of-universities-se...
So yes, China is an economic rival and they go to great lengths to steal U.S. trade secrets. So why should we help educate the students of an economic and military rival?
I know that grad school is the main way for Chinese to get into the US but seems like it’s a bit sensational of a headline? Doesn’t sound Chinese specific…