The answer is still the same. Don't they get the lesson? People don't want generic "weather" information if they're NOT going out, stock information if they don't invest, inbox headers in a 200px space where a notifications number could suffice, events in town when they are going to work.
It's not they HAVE to open an app to get forcefed ads. It's that they WANT to need an app to get ads. Otherwise there's no need to clutter up the empty "desk" metaphore THEY created, with litter.
I remember installing Windows 98 and it would play an intro ad video to their products and games. Short clips that briskly walk you through them, nothing too crazy just to show you stuff they had. They had a way of welcoming without being over the top. Encarta on its own with the games it had embedded in there was amazing.
I don’t know what happened but man did we collectively fuck computers up somewhere along the way. We hardly dream anymore but maybe that’s just me getting old idk.
No platform has ever "killed" off widgets, and users love them as long as there's a good variety of high quality ones available.
The first thing I always do with a new phone is make sure I have my preferred widgets for weather, email, maps, calendar, and to-do. As long as they stay in the periphery providing ambient information and the occasional interaction, being without them is almost unthinkable.
Maybe the only slight improvement in decades has been the smartwatch.
Widgets always seems like a cool idea. Tons of helpful little utility apps that are quick and easy for users to view or access and developers to create. Seems great, right?
Then everyone realizes there are only a handful of things that are actually useful and worth the screen space. Clock, calendar, weather, stocks. Maybe one or two more like todo list, post-it note, battery level, search bar, alerts, messages. That's about all I can think of.
From DOS PCs to smart phones, the idea is resurrected again every few years. A company will decide widgets are an awesome idea, create an over-developed "open" widget platform, excitedly add it to their UI, only to later decide that maintaining it isn't worth the effort and it quietly goes away. Then a few years later the cycle starts again with better widgets this time! And so it goes.
At this point it seems like it needs to be some sort of fundamental law of computing: Any device with a GUI will inevitably have some sort of widget capability that is added, removed, redesigned and added again at least once during its lifetime.
Widgets seem designed by the great unwashed, for the great unwashed.
When I need to use Windows, I use Windows Server in Desktop mode,
just to escape the ads and widgets and rubbish that the consumer version insists on displaying.
Being built on top of WinUI 3 is hardly much better given the lackluster tooling experience and bugs.
Pressing Win + W also might lead to a black rectangle with a waiting circle that can only be removed via a reboot, because well bugs in a system process.
Finally, as many point out, we don't want widgets that are mostly useless gimmicks.
Widgets are the thing OS teams make when out of ideas, said "oh God" out loud when that WWDC happened last year or year before where every Apple OS had a huge section on widgets.
Laughs from FVWM, GKRellm and so on. Or WindowMaker, Fluxbox and more with a dockapp slit 'tray' (or compatible tool).
Later KDE4-6 got a similar stack. but I remember Gnome2 having GDesklets.
Still, when in Unix can customize a keybinding to anything, (and with wmctrl spawn any window on top from their title), these gadgets are useless. When you can open, for instance, some messaging tool with the win+i keybinding, on top of everything and close it with win+q, suddenly these tiny tools don't matter anymore.
Ditto with the weather, opened windows, some shell with RSS feed (sfed for instance) which would spawn as fast as any widget ever.
I think it’s interesting to reconsider the idea of having floating widgets in an era of powerful CPUs/GPUs and multi-monitor setups.
Personally, I love having my “widgets” active on the third monitor (the one I dedicate to “frivolous stuff” when I’m not drowning in open windows). I always keep two “old-school” draggable widgets active: a "macro keyboard shortcut remider" and a “diabetes monitoring dashboard” (unfortunately, that’s my cross to bear). I also always keep VLC running in a super-minimized state (web radio).
It seems to me like a smart way to always have certain “useful things” at hand.
If I could achieve the final combo and get back an email ticket system identical to the one The Bat! provided 1000 years ago, I’d be really happy.
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[ 2.1 ms ] story [ 29.8 ms ] threadI remember installing Windows 98 and it would play an intro ad video to their products and games. Short clips that briskly walk you through them, nothing too crazy just to show you stuff they had. They had a way of welcoming without being over the top. Encarta on its own with the games it had embedded in there was amazing.
I don’t know what happened but man did we collectively fuck computers up somewhere along the way. We hardly dream anymore but maybe that’s just me getting old idk.
No platform has ever "killed" off widgets, and users love them as long as there's a good variety of high quality ones available.
The first thing I always do with a new phone is make sure I have my preferred widgets for weather, email, maps, calendar, and to-do. As long as they stay in the periphery providing ambient information and the occasional interaction, being without them is almost unthinkable.
Maybe the only slight improvement in decades has been the smartwatch.
Then everyone realizes there are only a handful of things that are actually useful and worth the screen space. Clock, calendar, weather, stocks. Maybe one or two more like todo list, post-it note, battery level, search bar, alerts, messages. That's about all I can think of.
From DOS PCs to smart phones, the idea is resurrected again every few years. A company will decide widgets are an awesome idea, create an over-developed "open" widget platform, excitedly add it to their UI, only to later decide that maintaining it isn't worth the effort and it quietly goes away. Then a few years later the cycle starts again with better widgets this time! And so it goes.
At this point it seems like it needs to be some sort of fundamental law of computing: Any device with a GUI will inevitably have some sort of widget capability that is added, removed, redesigned and added again at least once during its lifetime.
When I need to use Windows, I use Windows Server in Desktop mode, just to escape the ads and widgets and rubbish that the consumer version insists on displaying.
Maybe simply "Show news about this topic"?
You get a point multiplier for rewriting parts of whatever vomit the LLM gave you.
`1 x 0` is still `0` though.
You could have them in the wharf(preferred IMO) or more standard widget styles.
Pressing Win + W also might lead to a black rectangle with a waiting circle that can only be removed via a reboot, because well bugs in a system process.
Finally, as many point out, we don't want widgets that are mostly useless gimmicks.
Laughs from FVWM, GKRellm and so on. Or WindowMaker, Fluxbox and more with a dockapp slit 'tray' (or compatible tool).
Later KDE4-6 got a similar stack. but I remember Gnome2 having GDesklets.
Still, when in Unix can customize a keybinding to anything, (and with wmctrl spawn any window on top from their title), these gadgets are useless. When you can open, for instance, some messaging tool with the win+i keybinding, on top of everything and close it with win+q, suddenly these tiny tools don't matter anymore.
Ditto with the weather, opened windows, some shell with RSS feed (sfed for instance) which would spawn as fast as any widget ever.
It seems to me like a smart way to always have certain “useful things” at hand. If I could achieve the final combo and get back an email ticket system identical to the one The Bat! provided 1000 years ago, I’d be really happy.