It's troubling that most of the free world stands by and watches as a genocidal-level massacre takes place in Iran. Persians don't expect China/Russia to respond, but come on, no action from the West?
Imagine negotiating with Hitler to give up his V2 missiles and nuclear plans while the Holocaust was taking place. History will judge us for negotiating (and therefore, legitimizing) with the islamic regime that's occupied Iran for 47 years.
I assume that the economic conditions are caused by the sanctions designed to force Iran to give up their nuclear ambitions? But that only works if the country actually cares about its people. Iran seems content to let them suffer (or kill them themselves). Is Iran destined to become the next North Korea? Will their oil save them from that?
How should readers assess the credibility of these claims that 12k, 36k, or 100k have been killed? I'm not there. I haven't seen anything with my own eyes. Should I expect that if the death toll reaches X, then Y form of evidence would make it out?
Iranian official figures[1] put the final death toll at ~3111 for the entire duration of the protests (about a month). They have supposedly published names and identification numbers for about ~2900. So that gives a baseline at least.
Figures thrown around like 12k/20k/30k in 2 days - frankly beggar belief. Compare it to the recent (and ongoing) massacre of Gaza. which at its peak we were talking 1000-2000 deaths per day. The Israelis were dropping 2000-pound bombs and shelling non-stop until the entire strip into rubble. Reaching similar numbers against armed protestors without resorting to heavy weapons doesn't seem plausible. On top of it, 100s of thousands of injured (claimed along with the deaths). Again in 2 days. Even in a country of 90 million, can you imagine the utter pandemonium in every hospital. Mass graves. The blood and bodies at the squares. It would be visible from space. It would impossible to conceal. You have to go to Babi Yar in WW2 to get similar figures.
Beyond that its hard for me to tell. I dont trust any of this, given the interests and parties involved and the sources pushing these narratives . The legacy media is in full-blown propaganda offensive. The accounts and claims seem to come from a constellation of anti-regime NGOs, activists, Israeli lobbyists, neocons and intelligence agencies. Statements and actions of western and Israeli leaders make it abundantly clear this is an armed regime-change operation backed by numerous US, Israeli and western-backed proxy groups. US carrier strike groups have finally arrived in Gulf of Oman and suddenly the news stories pick up again. A month ago the same CSG was off the coast of Venezuela while the nobel prize was being awarded to an opponent of the Venezuelan government. Now that same nobel-laureate is meeting up with Reza Pahlavi and opponents of the Iranian government while Trump is sabre-rattling again. It all feels like deja-vu all over again. Netanyahu and the Israelis really want their Iran war and they need the Americans to carry it home for them.
I don't know but the videos coming out are horrific. I don't understand how the Gaza crowd is supporting the Iranian regime/trying to bury this after they just fought so hard to get the Gazan's suffering seen/heard.
Personally, I believe the concern and outrage is warranted even if the death toll is indeed only (!) the 3,000 claimed by Iranian state media. That is the most conservative number so far and it is still an almost unimaginable number in such a short period of time.
It's not unimaginable at all. There are over 1200 cities in Iran, 400+ which saw active protests. If say, 'just' 50 were killed in each on average, that very quickly adds up to the tens of thousands. And looking at the footage coming out and the widespread news of overflowing morgues throughout the country, it's not unbelievable at all.
When people imagine mass casualty events, they imagine something like Verdun or Hiroshima, where tens of thousands are killed within a relatively concentrated geographic radius. But more often than not, they actually occur across a wider area in numerous but smaller casualty increments which add up to something much bigger. And when considering how deadly even a single well-positioned gunman with an automatic rifle can be against a crowd of unarmed and tightly packed civilians, it's really not surprising to see how easily casualties could have mounted, especially when you multiple that over 400+ cities.
Still blows my mind how NKR with all it's geologic limitations, or perhaps despite it, played their weak hand well while Iran squandered a much stronger hand. Too much oil and cultural/past hegemon hubris, the Ayatollah are not serious people. Nor the Iranian people who protest because lol the shah's son told them to (this article). They deserve each other. Frankly Iran is on Israel grass mowing schedule now - they didn't win the 12 day war, but demonstrated even incompetent Iran has latent ability to. IMO Iranian dissidents are dangerously naive to geopolitical reality, it's in no ones regional interest to do anything other than to keep Iran and by extension, Iranians down. At this point, if Iran serous about favourable regional lightcone, their only option is to ditch half measured authoritarian amateur hour and double down. Frankly they should have had their own firewall and purged libtard compradors 10+ years ago.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 35.4 ms ] threadA familiar tactic to many governments around the world.
Imagine negotiating with Hitler to give up his V2 missiles and nuclear plans while the Holocaust was taking place. History will judge us for negotiating (and therefore, legitimizing) with the islamic regime that's occupied Iran for 47 years.
Trump told them to stop and has sent quite a lot of military stuff to the area. It remains to be seen how that works out.
Figures thrown around like 12k/20k/30k in 2 days - frankly beggar belief. Compare it to the recent (and ongoing) massacre of Gaza. which at its peak we were talking 1000-2000 deaths per day. The Israelis were dropping 2000-pound bombs and shelling non-stop until the entire strip into rubble. Reaching similar numbers against armed protestors without resorting to heavy weapons doesn't seem plausible. On top of it, 100s of thousands of injured (claimed along with the deaths). Again in 2 days. Even in a country of 90 million, can you imagine the utter pandemonium in every hospital. Mass graves. The blood and bodies at the squares. It would be visible from space. It would impossible to conceal. You have to go to Babi Yar in WW2 to get similar figures.
Beyond that its hard for me to tell. I dont trust any of this, given the interests and parties involved and the sources pushing these narratives . The legacy media is in full-blown propaganda offensive. The accounts and claims seem to come from a constellation of anti-regime NGOs, activists, Israeli lobbyists, neocons and intelligence agencies. Statements and actions of western and Israeli leaders make it abundantly clear this is an armed regime-change operation backed by numerous US, Israeli and western-backed proxy groups. US carrier strike groups have finally arrived in Gulf of Oman and suddenly the news stories pick up again. A month ago the same CSG was off the coast of Venezuela while the nobel prize was being awarded to an opponent of the Venezuelan government. Now that same nobel-laureate is meeting up with Reza Pahlavi and opponents of the Iranian government while Trump is sabre-rattling again. It all feels like deja-vu all over again. Netanyahu and the Israelis really want their Iran war and they need the Americans to carry it home for them.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2026/02/01/763331/Iran-officia...
When people imagine mass casualty events, they imagine something like Verdun or Hiroshima, where tens of thousands are killed within a relatively concentrated geographic radius. But more often than not, they actually occur across a wider area in numerous but smaller casualty increments which add up to something much bigger. And when considering how deadly even a single well-positioned gunman with an automatic rifle can be against a crowd of unarmed and tightly packed civilians, it's really not surprising to see how easily casualties could have mounted, especially when you multiple that over 400+ cities.