Is this the start of a more frequent code-migrations out of Github?
For years, the best argument for centralizing on Github was that this was where the developers were. This is where you can have pull requests managed quickly and easily between developers and teams that otherwise weren't related. Getting random PRs from the community had very little friction. Most of the other features were `git` specific (branches, merges, post-commit hooks, etc), but pull requests, code review, and CI actions were very much Github specific.
However, with more Copilot, et al getting pushed through Github (and now-reverted Action pricing changes), having so much code in one place might not be enough of a benefit anymore. There is nothing about Git repositories that inherently requires Github, so it will be interesting to see how Gentoo fares.
I don't know if it's a one-off or not. Gentoo has always been happy to do their own thing, so it might just be them, but it's a trend I'm hearing talked about more frequently.
I get the sense that this is true for many enshittified services. See anything Microsoft. The FOSS movement seems to be gaining some traction again.
My guess is it's driven by very poor user experience coupled with worse product.
Technical leople who care about privacy/surveillance at least a little bit need take one look at the current state of tech and US govt to see how fucking fast dystopia is becoming reality. See discord/openai writeup that came out, ads literally everywhere, flock and ring cameras wide open and passively performing recon, routers doing the same... it's like snow crash out here
Makes perfect sense that those who know would say fuck this, im out. Convenience isn't worth it anymore
All everything aside, reviewing big pull requests on GitHub became nearly impossible - even with the simplest change view it makes you spend too much time on waiting for the page to load the necessary file first. The performance degraded significantly from what was the experience from 10 years ago. UI became an absolute mess. Maybe even vibe-coded.
The reality of good competition is that competitors are built on good, cheap open source. No matter how decentral, a lot of users will want guards at the offramps and onramps. The only path for... everyone to create stronger competitive checks on services they rely on is to make sure that the open foundations are extremely strong.
The alliance any up-and-comers can make with the ecosystem is to develop more of what they host in the open source. In return for starting much closer to the finish line, we only ask that they also make the lines closer for those that come after them.
That's a bit of an indirect idea for today's Joe Internet. Joe Internet is going to hold out waiting for such services to be offered entirely for free, by a magical Github competitor who exists purely to serve in the public interest. Ah yes, Joe Internet means government-funded, but of course government solutions are not solutions for narrow-interest problems like "host my code" that affect only a tiny minority. And so Joe Internet will be waiting for quite some time.
I really like what I've read about AGit as a slightly improved version of the Gerrit workflow. In particular, I like that you can just use a self-defined session ID rather than relying on a commit hook to generate a Gerrit ChangeId. I would love to see Gerrit support this session token in place of ChangeIds.
So I've started to use it since that's the way things are going. It's pretty drop-in compatible with how I used to use Github contributions for Gentoo. There are currently 2 downsides I'm facing:
- It's slow for git command-line tasks, despite the site UX being much faster, git operations are really slow compared to Github.
- It doesn't have full feature parity with Github actions. Their CI doesn't run a full pkgcheck I guess, so it's still safer for a new Gentoo contributor to submit PR's to github until that gets addressed.
That's good. I am getting very annoyed at how US-dependent Europeans have become, ever since Trump keeps on threatening us non-stop. The Canadians understood the issue; European politicians are WAY too slow. There is a reason why Trump is also known as Agent Krasnov. Yuri Bezmenov predicted this in the 1980s; he literally explaind the "Flood the zone with shit" tactic, which is a KGB strategy (or, even older than the KGB). Steve Bannon only steals stuff; his mind is unable to devise anything on his own.
I have not used Codeberg that much myself. I have known about it, but the UI is a bit ... scary. Gitlab also has a horrible UI. It is soooo strange that github is the only one that got UI right. Why can't the others learn from KEEPING THINGS SIMPLE?
I really enjoy using Codeberg (as well as my own self-hosted Forgejo instance). It's fast and responsive, and if something is broken or inconsistent, it's trivial to create a PR and get it merged with minimal friction. It's a breath of fresh air after having dealt with GitHub's bs for many years.
Codeberg is one of my favourite Git hosting services. It is (to me) what GitHub should have remained like. I have been mirroring most of my GitHub projects to Codeberg as well. Someday when I can afford the time, I might decide to make Codeberg my primary repository hosting service and GitHub the mirror.
More power to them. But donations can’t possibly scale to the demand. They are already having significant capacity issues as evidenced to response time spikes throughout the week.
It’s a great hobby app, and the forgejo software seems well assembled, but Codeberg needs to be a bit more forthcoming about their capacity before more large projects move over.
I want to see larger projects like Gentoo migrate, but everything will come grinding to a halt if codeberg doesn’t come up with scalable resourcing (money & capacity)
Many European software companies are looking for alternatives outside the US now with the geopolitical situation between the US and EU. It's not only limited to the three big cloud providers, but Microsoft in general, in addition to other US providers.
For all the negativity on github I will praise them for one really good feature - code search across an organisation. I've found it really useful particularly for 'platform' related changes to be able to find how other people in an org has solved a problem. It's particularly useful when the documentation only shows the happy path (or was written 5 years ago and 'oh nobody does it that way anymore')
There is an entire ecosystem of products that have locked themselves (and their users) into Github for one reason or another. I hope a critical mass builds that forces them to open up to a wider range of alternatives.
What we reallt need is a place for secure hosting, one where AI is gatekept. Right now the big AI companies just steal code and no one does anything about it. Its pure theft. A blatant violation of copyright.
Before everyone jumps on CodeBerg, please remember it runs on donations! It doesn't have Micro$lop money behind. Please donate to projects like this :)
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 56.1 ms ] threadThis “Great Uncoupling” is well underway and will take us toward a less monocultural Internet.
For years, the best argument for centralizing on Github was that this was where the developers were. This is where you can have pull requests managed quickly and easily between developers and teams that otherwise weren't related. Getting random PRs from the community had very little friction. Most of the other features were `git` specific (branches, merges, post-commit hooks, etc), but pull requests, code review, and CI actions were very much Github specific.
However, with more Copilot, et al getting pushed through Github (and now-reverted Action pricing changes), having so much code in one place might not be enough of a benefit anymore. There is nothing about Git repositories that inherently requires Github, so it will be interesting to see how Gentoo fares.
I don't know if it's a one-off or not. Gentoo has always been happy to do their own thing, so it might just be them, but it's a trend I'm hearing talked about more frequently.
My guess is it's driven by very poor user experience coupled with worse product.
Technical leople who care about privacy/surveillance at least a little bit need take one look at the current state of tech and US govt to see how fucking fast dystopia is becoming reality. See discord/openai writeup that came out, ads literally everywhere, flock and ring cameras wide open and passively performing recon, routers doing the same... it's like snow crash out here
Makes perfect sense that those who know would say fuck this, im out. Convenience isn't worth it anymore
I REALLY recommend it
Just like Microsoft Windows. I wonder if they are the same company. /s
The alliance any up-and-comers can make with the ecosystem is to develop more of what they host in the open source. In return for starting much closer to the finish line, we only ask that they also make the lines closer for those that come after them.
That's a bit of an indirect idea for today's Joe Internet. Joe Internet is going to hold out waiting for such services to be offered entirely for free, by a magical Github competitor who exists purely to serve in the public interest. Ah yes, Joe Internet means government-funded, but of course government solutions are not solutions for narrow-interest problems like "host my code" that affect only a tiny minority. And so Joe Internet will be waiting for quite some time.
The original AGit blog post is no longer available, but it is archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20260114065059/https://git-repo....
From there, I found a dedicated Git subcommand for this workflow: https://github.com/alibaba/git-repo-go
I really like what I've read about AGit as a slightly improved version of the Gerrit workflow. In particular, I like that you can just use a self-defined session ID rather than relying on a commit hook to generate a Gerrit ChangeId. I would love to see Gerrit support this session token in place of ChangeIds.
- It's slow for git command-line tasks, despite the site UX being much faster, git operations are really slow compared to Github.
- It doesn't have full feature parity with Github actions. Their CI doesn't run a full pkgcheck I guess, so it's still safer for a new Gentoo contributor to submit PR's to github until that gets addressed.
I have not used Codeberg that much myself. I have known about it, but the UI is a bit ... scary. Gitlab also has a horrible UI. It is soooo strange that github is the only one that got UI right. Why can't the others learn from KEEPING THINGS SIMPLE?
If you haven't seen it already, Codeberg is seeking donations here: <https://docs.codeberg.org/improving-codeberg/donate/>. A good way to support a product you like rather than becoming the product yourself.
It’s a great hobby app, and the forgejo software seems well assembled, but Codeberg needs to be a bit more forthcoming about their capacity before more large projects move over.
I want to see larger projects like Gentoo migrate, but everything will come grinding to a halt if codeberg doesn’t come up with scalable resourcing (money & capacity)
Steam proved gaming doesn't depend on Windows, Linux can do it too.
Countries in Europe feed-up with Windows moving to Linux
LibreOffice is eating Microsoft 365 lunch
Microsoft buying GitHub caused a mass-exodus, its AI push is causing another mass-exodus.
Big open-source project moving away from GitHub, we only need a big player to make the move, followers will come.
Aren’t most games built on Windows and for Windows?
I now run a local Gitea. Its rather more performant and uptime is rather better too!
I have no idea why on earth I even considered using GH in the first place. Laziness I suppose.