I'd like to point out that this article seems to focus on minutiae like how much energy a human brain takes to solve a problem, when the obvious question is: Which is more worthwhile to us as a species - even assuming the same inputs and energy and planetary damage? Spending that energy on fostering humans who can solve problems? Or on machines which render humans superfluous?
> the obvious question is: Which [of having babies vs. building datacenters] is more worthwhile to us as a species
Uh... no, it's not. You're making an argument in the opposite direction as Altman, but recapitulating the same moral flaw.
The point is that viewing human procreation as "worthwhile" or having "value" or being "expensive" is the logic of slavery. People are people, not assets. We don't have babies to make our lives better, we have babies to make THEIR lives better.
Altman’s moral flaw stems partly from an identity failure: he does not see himself as human. He sees himself as The Chosen One. He is transhuman. He can sympathize with humans but never empathize.
To some extend I think people are putting way to much weight on his exact words, and not why he says them.
Altman is a man who is quickly running out of lies, so now he starts slinging random arguments that can't stand up to even the briefest of scrutiny.
OpenAI is burning cash and fuel. There are results, and they are, to some extend, impressive, but not impressive enough to justify the cost and Altman are no longer able to cover that up.
Step after step it seems like a CEO throwing everything at the wall in an insecure manner.
I don't pretend to know if Open AI is doomed or just absurdly over valued but still valuable. I pay for and use their product, it works for my use cases, but watching the business deals and weird quotes from a far makes me less confidant.
I have a different perspective. You'll probably hate it.
AI data centers should be operated according to two limiting factors.
1) No energy from grid. Can't use coal or fossil fuel energy sources. Must have plan to provide excess TO grid.
2) No use of fresh water from municipal or fresh groundwater for cooling. Can use waste water. Must transition to providing excess fresh water to common supply.
No loopholes. Massive penalties for use of loopholes or breaking rules, not limited to but including complete shutdown of data center.
Those two limits will spur innovation AND prevent AI being criticized for energy use. These rules would hard burn improvements in energy storage and renewables as well as other methods of energy production.
Give them five years to comply to some useful progress percentage. Plenty of time to come up with a transition plan and show sufficient progress to justify further extensions. Realistically it will take 20 years at least to fully realize this plan.
Don't bring up cost. If you do, let me remind everyone that the climate change issue is real enough to hurt now. There's the very real cost of not pursuing these rules. AI has had plenty of time to bootstrap off grid. Now it can begin to migrate to something else instead.
Those with experience with energy generation will realize this plan has ridiculously high reward for those who follow it. Have your cake and eat it too definitely applies.
Well, this is the proposition the field of AI was founded on, that intelligence can be replicated by machines, it's not Sam Altman who "lost his grip". I know there are people in this world who believe humans are somehow special and non-materialist and non-replicable (it's a basic tenet of most religions), but this person doesn't advance or reference a single argument. The article is not very intellectually honest.
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[ 2.3 ms ] story [ 46.2 ms ] threadUh... no, it's not. You're making an argument in the opposite direction as Altman, but recapitulating the same moral flaw.
The point is that viewing human procreation as "worthwhile" or having "value" or being "expensive" is the logic of slavery. People are people, not assets. We don't have babies to make our lives better, we have babies to make THEIR lives better.
Altman is a man who is quickly running out of lies, so now he starts slinging random arguments that can't stand up to even the briefest of scrutiny.
OpenAI is burning cash and fuel. There are results, and they are, to some extend, impressive, but not impressive enough to justify the cost and Altman are no longer able to cover that up.
The "A letter from Sam & Jony" page is one of the weirdest I've seen in a while: https://openai.com/sam-and-jony/
Step after step it seems like a CEO throwing everything at the wall in an insecure manner.
I don't pretend to know if Open AI is doomed or just absurdly over valued but still valuable. I pay for and use their product, it works for my use cases, but watching the business deals and weird quotes from a far makes me less confidant.
AI data centers should be operated according to two limiting factors.
1) No energy from grid. Can't use coal or fossil fuel energy sources. Must have plan to provide excess TO grid.
2) No use of fresh water from municipal or fresh groundwater for cooling. Can use waste water. Must transition to providing excess fresh water to common supply.
No loopholes. Massive penalties for use of loopholes or breaking rules, not limited to but including complete shutdown of data center.
Those two limits will spur innovation AND prevent AI being criticized for energy use. These rules would hard burn improvements in energy storage and renewables as well as other methods of energy production.
Give them five years to comply to some useful progress percentage. Plenty of time to come up with a transition plan and show sufficient progress to justify further extensions. Realistically it will take 20 years at least to fully realize this plan.
Don't bring up cost. If you do, let me remind everyone that the climate change issue is real enough to hurt now. There's the very real cost of not pursuing these rules. AI has had plenty of time to bootstrap off grid. Now it can begin to migrate to something else instead.
Those with experience with energy generation will realize this plan has ridiculously high reward for those who follow it. Have your cake and eat it too definitely applies.
In this context, "train" a human makes perfect sense.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47112633
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47108221
I took one look at this grifter's speech when I first heard his name and knew he was trash before he could finish his thought.