google is seeing an uptick in viewing with a smartTV, so they think that means family time in the livingroom, thus 70s style TV is the model of the day.
have they considered home office, phones are just too small, and studios where you watch the screen and perform the "how too" from across the room are getting to be a thing [mancaves, shesheds].
i would definately have a curated, edited feed of YTz to a group viewing location, rather than a raw stream.
They really are unbearable: I use Duck Player primarily to view Youtube, connected via city wifi and every so often, I receive a message saying that youtube thinks I am a bot presumably because they are not getting ad revenue. Of course I have a workaround for this but annoying nonetheless.
Ragebait comment for sure, but not everyone lives in some bubble where $14/months is spare change and anyway the fact that even a philosophical wall of text on why paying for something so fundamental like not getting spammed with retarded unksippable ads on a 20 second video, (or even worse getting one in the middle of a concerto movement) would not convince, makes further engagement unworthy. It's pretty appalling to note that not a single comment so far brought up the affordability issue.
YouTube does not respect its users, their preferences, or improving their platform. If it did, their website would function a lot like SmartTube, made by a solo dev. Instead, they're on a slow march of enshittification with shorts in every nook and cranny. Even just recently they made changes to the subscriptions page so it wasn't chronological for some users.
I happily pay for YTP, but the monthly cost is actually getting a tad rich for me, and I'm honestly considering just not using yt any more.
The terrible UX, the constant pushing of shorts, the baked in shilling, even from my favourite creators, the absolute abortion that is yt music and their attempt to merge my music listening profile and my video watching profile (I don't want fucking music videos in my video feed ffs).
There are some creators that I really like, but I won't die without their content. Maybe I need to go to something like Floatplane or whatever, pay for the content I actually consume and start pirating music again.
On our TV, using the official YT app, it just rapid cycles through the first few seconds of each ad. As far as I can tell, this is part of a Google-operated display fraud scheme.
I wonder how the new standards will impact our user experience.
Will they just halve the length of time each video is run and charge for twice as many impressions? They could also just run the ads in the background (with the video displayed over it + ad audio muted).
Does anyone have a good study as to how much advertising is too much advertising? There are some content creators on YouTube I enjoy watching but it's an ad every five minutes and it just ruins it all. For some, I've reached the point where I don't bother watching anymore because the ads are just too much. I sympathize with creators wishing to make money, but ... it's just becoming relentless. I'd love to see a study or even better YouTube internal analysis of how much viewers are willing to take before they just say enough.
Why are people even so dumb to use TV apps for a fucking TV? Just connect a "computer" to the TV and play YouTube with a mouse and KB and with Brave and Sponsor Block. If they ban adblockers and Sponsor Block there will be AI solutions that let you cut the ads out in the future.
Nobody should use shitty TV apps. It's like more convenient and practical to have some kind of PC like device attached to the TV for 100 other reasons as well. They are feeding this shit only to the dumb mass consumers who have no clue about anything.
"Just pay for YT premium" so that an evil megacorp is using your money against you, no, thanks! Donate to creators you like as directly as they allow it. They are also dumb and let Patreon or whatever suck large percentages off their donations for whatever retarded reason.
Why would you use it so complicated way when you can just use SmartTube (or TizenTube) on Android TV, both controlled conveniently with your TV remote instead of some mouse, cables, etc.
There are already minutes of unskippable ads when watching YouTube on a device like an Apple TV. And they come fast and furious, as bad as or worse than network TV.
And the best part is that many of the ads that show up are literally scams. YouTube has no ad standards that I can tell.
Note that this is talking about ads when you watch via their TV app, not when you watch on your computer in an ordinary browser.
The ad experience in the browser is interesting. I've watched several videos today withnoadblocking and have only seen a couple of ads which were skippable after 5 seconds.
For the last year I've doing this on YouTube.
• I start the day with ad blocking turned off.
• As long as all the ads I get are skippable after 5 seconds, and any ads that are not pre-roll ads are not too close to the previous ad, I just skip and my annoyance level stays low. I get annoyed if the ads during the content are not well spread out.
• If they put in a non-skippable ad but it is close to 5 seconds (6 seconds and 15 seconds seem to be the two shortest lengths for non-skippable ads) and it is not followed immediately by another ad I treat it like a 5 second skippable ad.
• If a 6 second non-skippable ad is followed immediately by a skippable after 5 seconds ad, my annoyance level rises some. If they only do this a couple times in a day I'll probably let it slide.
• Any 15 second or more non-skippable ad raises my annoyance level a lot.
• If my annoyance level gets too high, by either (1) a 15+ second non-skippable ad or (2) too many of those things that are annoying but not as annoying then ad blocking gets turned on any open YouTube tabs get refreshed so it will apply to them.
• Any ad they show me that is actually relevant and useful is not counted when evaluating annoyance level. This only happens rarely.
I haven't kept stats but it definitely feels like over the first couple of months of doing this they changed the ad lengths, intervals, and how often they show me non-skippable ads in a way that avoids annoying me enough to turn on ad blocking. I now sometimes go over a week without turning on the ad blocker.
I use on my Android TV SmartTube, you can customize pretty much anything, I don't think I have ever tried original Youtube app, but just out of curiosity I tried competition - TizenTube, which is basically default Youtube app minus ads and it was absolutely horrible experience, on home page you see like 2 giant thumbnails and that's it, can't understand how can someone stand such UI, the most basic settings are setting how big are the thumbnails, how fast is the video title scrolling, if your app doesn't have this I am not gonna use it.
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[ 4.8 ms ] story [ 40.7 ms ] threadhave they considered home office, phones are just too small, and studios where you watch the screen and perform the "how too" from across the room are getting to be a thing [mancaves, shesheds].
i would definately have a curated, edited feed of YTz to a group viewing location, rather than a raw stream.
So I never see any ads and I feel like I get enough value for what I pay. It even helps me skip in-content ads with a single click.
The terrible UX, the constant pushing of shorts, the baked in shilling, even from my favourite creators, the absolute abortion that is yt music and their attempt to merge my music listening profile and my video watching profile (I don't want fucking music videos in my video feed ffs).
There are some creators that I really like, but I won't die without their content. Maybe I need to go to something like Floatplane or whatever, pay for the content I actually consume and start pirating music again.
I wonder how the new standards will impact our user experience.
Will they just halve the length of time each video is run and charge for twice as many impressions? They could also just run the ads in the background (with the video displayed over it + ad audio muted).
Nobody should use shitty TV apps. It's like more convenient and practical to have some kind of PC like device attached to the TV for 100 other reasons as well. They are feeding this shit only to the dumb mass consumers who have no clue about anything.
"Just pay for YT premium" so that an evil megacorp is using your money against you, no, thanks! Donate to creators you like as directly as they allow it. They are also dumb and let Patreon or whatever suck large percentages off their donations for whatever retarded reason.
And the best part is that many of the ads that show up are literally scams. YouTube has no ad standards that I can tell.
The ad experience in the browser is interesting. I've watched several videos today with no ad blocking and have only seen a couple of ads which were skippable after 5 seconds.
For the last year I've doing this on YouTube.
• I start the day with ad blocking turned off.
• As long as all the ads I get are skippable after 5 seconds, and any ads that are not pre-roll ads are not too close to the previous ad, I just skip and my annoyance level stays low. I get annoyed if the ads during the content are not well spread out.
• If they put in a non-skippable ad but it is close to 5 seconds (6 seconds and 15 seconds seem to be the two shortest lengths for non-skippable ads) and it is not followed immediately by another ad I treat it like a 5 second skippable ad.
• If a 6 second non-skippable ad is followed immediately by a skippable after 5 seconds ad, my annoyance level rises some. If they only do this a couple times in a day I'll probably let it slide.
• Any 15 second or more non-skippable ad raises my annoyance level a lot.
• If my annoyance level gets too high, by either (1) a 15+ second non-skippable ad or (2) too many of those things that are annoying but not as annoying then ad blocking gets turned on any open YouTube tabs get refreshed so it will apply to them.
• Any ad they show me that is actually relevant and useful is not counted when evaluating annoyance level. This only happens rarely.
I haven't kept stats but it definitely feels like over the first couple of months of doing this they changed the ad lengths, intervals, and how often they show me non-skippable ads in a way that avoids annoying me enough to turn on ad blocking. I now sometimes go over a week without turning on the ad blocker.
https://smarttubeapp.github.io
https://github.com/reisxd/TizenTubeCobalt