FWIW, I appreciate the intent to group things (e.g. logging rather than having to read all) but I do _not_ understand why the description is now invisible (needs hovering) and why it's completely unaccessible for the featured ones without navigating away.
I was wondering when they'd get around to updating the addons page. Looks nice and it should help now that there are a lot of competing addons for each category (there's now something like 5 Redis providers).
Most of the time web pages look far better on my Work iMac, but this is stunningly well designed, it looks perfect on my cheap windows laptop, my phone and my iMac.
I keep seeing Heroku come up as a viable alternative to... what? That's the part I don't understand.
The value prop seems to be eliminating ops. i.e. we'll take care of it so you don't have to.
But digging deeper, that seems only to be accurate for Rails apps. If I want to - say - deploy a PHP app (god forbid) - then I still need to play sysadmin.
Am I reading things wrong? I would _love_ if that were the case.
The Heroku offering is about providing a stack that you don't need to know anything about in order to look after a decent application. You deploy with Git, give it the resources it needs and forget about it. You've no need to learn UNIX, or anything about packaging, or security, or networking and so on. You just need to care about your application.
Saying this, there's lots of things deployable to Heroku right now, and even more via the Buildpacks system. Yes, at first Heroku was just Ruby, but those days are long gone, most modern platforms that run on UNIX are deployable to Heroku in just a few minutes.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The process for deploying a Clojure app to Heroku is the same process as deploying a Ruby, Rails, python, PHP, node.js, scala, etc app. That's the basic win of the unified build/deployment/hosting process
How would you get a clojure app deployed on EC2 or Linode without doing a lot more sysadmin work than Heroku?
I'm with you on this one. I 'get' that you have the benefit of being able to just 'code' and have it run without you touching anything, but what about your content?
A database on Heroku and other similar offerings such as AppFog, AppHarbor, etc, are really expensive. I'd rather pay 15$/month starting out and install everything I need with simple commands - and I'm not even a Linux-guy! Imagine what a veteran Linux guy would do!
Don't you lose too much control? The last time I tried to deploy a Rails app on Heroku, I couldn't figure out where to save and well, "admin" user uploads on my website. (I was building a 9Gag clone to practice) and it turns out you cannot save data on a Heroku app. You need to pay for YET ANOTHER service such as Amazon content hosting.
So for a full stack you're looking at paying about 80$/month, that includes Heroku, Database, and content hosting. For a lean, mean startup I'd rather just pay 15$ for a VPS and handle things my way.
It's not like it's that hard. If and WHEN I need a service such as Heroku for load balancing, etc when my app reaches critical mass I'll be able to afford it. Not before.
It was about time!
The new dashboard is great and much more comfortable, but looking for plugins was still a pain.
Still, Heroku is an option for small/medium deploys IMHO.
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[ 0.22 ms ] story [ 68.2 ms ] threadThe value prop seems to be eliminating ops. i.e. we'll take care of it so you don't have to.
But digging deeper, that seems only to be accurate for Rails apps. If I want to - say - deploy a PHP app (god forbid) - then I still need to play sysadmin.
Am I reading things wrong? I would _love_ if that were the case.
I really, really don't want to seem dense. But I don't understand what that means.
Let's forget about PHP, and consider Clojure. Reading http://blog.heroku.com/archives/2011/7/5/clojure_on_heroku/ I don't see the part that says SysAdmins are no longer needed.
But maybe I am dense, and just don't get what Heroku offers...
Saying this, there's lots of things deployable to Heroku right now, and even more via the Buildpacks system. Yes, at first Heroku was just Ruby, but those days are long gone, most modern platforms that run on UNIX are deployable to Heroku in just a few minutes.
How would you get a clojure app deployed on EC2 or Linode without doing a lot more sysadmin work than Heroku?
Exactly, thanks.
I thought Heroku was supposed to get rid of that "problem." Did I read it wrong?
A database on Heroku and other similar offerings such as AppFog, AppHarbor, etc, are really expensive. I'd rather pay 15$/month starting out and install everything I need with simple commands - and I'm not even a Linux-guy! Imagine what a veteran Linux guy would do!
Don't you lose too much control? The last time I tried to deploy a Rails app on Heroku, I couldn't figure out where to save and well, "admin" user uploads on my website. (I was building a 9Gag clone to practice) and it turns out you cannot save data on a Heroku app. You need to pay for YET ANOTHER service such as Amazon content hosting.
So for a full stack you're looking at paying about 80$/month, that includes Heroku, Database, and content hosting. For a lean, mean startup I'd rather just pay 15$ for a VPS and handle things my way.
It's not like it's that hard. If and WHEN I need a service such as Heroku for load balancing, etc when my app reaches critical mass I'll be able to afford it. Not before.
Also, finally they have Addon Search! :D