Good. Many Canadians view Carney as a "war-time" PM and I think that's accurate.
The Trump administration has treated Canada and Canadians appallingly. It will take many years and another President, but I hope the U.S. can repair relations. The onus is on us.
Canada honored its commitments. The U.S. started this stupid trade war.
Interesting that this comes as millions of Americans discover they have a claim to a Canadian passport thanks to recent rule changes. If they play they hand right (and maybe actually build housing) Canada could benefit from American brain drain.
As a Canadian I feel like this country has some problems that contribute to the brain drain south. And I feel like Trump is definitely not our friend but the situation could have been helpful to stir us up to self reflection. But I fear that instead we will just try to recreate the former status quo by whatever means and call that a victory. But what it means is the inevitable decline of this country.
First off, the difference in diction between PM Mark Carney and other world leaders is startling. Clear, cogent reasoning with rhetoric meant to impart on the listener that the speaker respects them and the presentation of an actual plan instead of just concepts of one is refreshing.
Second. I've been finding it more and more difficult to communicate online with Americans or people who have succumbed to contemporary American-brained thinking. There's something corrosive about being surrounded by slurred, infantile thinking, it seems like even the most intelligent people will eventually succumb to it and regurgitate it back because they see it as the easy road and suffer no immediate consequences for doing so.
It's extremely frustrating to see this come from American oligarchs who bend the knee to a mad king with a sexual penchant for young girls. To satiate their greed people like Sam Altman and Tim Cook align themselves with the worst of American society and unctuously flatter them with gaudy bauble bribes and obsequious speeches. Sure it serves their immediate purposes but what are the long term consequences of this? Do these people realize that every time they sell a piece of their soul to increase their personal wealth it destroys a piece of their society? Do they care?
It seems like America is rudderless now, a living ghost shambling into an uncertain but terminal future. Other countries see that now and there's a strong 'if it bleeds we can kill it' vibe after watching America deplete years of missile stocks against Iran only to watch China begin to resupply Iranian stockpiles to provide the Americans with another opportunity to deplete years more.
You can only hope that Canada (and Europe) will do more than just being mad at the US. From what I hear from Canadians, Canada is in a very bad spot with high cost of living but salaries that aren't enough to afford that. Complaining about the americans isn't going to solve that. Same for Europe. Stop focusing on Trump and start standing on your own feet.
It's naive to think that huge geopolitical shifts could happen in otherwise stable democracies in a couple years, short of some cataclysmic event. So far no such event happened and everybody understands that the USA hasn't fallen, that Trump is a more or less temporary disaster. But thinking in terms of decades makes things much more unpredictable but the general direction rather clear. Before Trump, voters from many European countries, while understanding the shortcomings of EU, were welcoming pro-American policies with open arms. Starting recently (take Hungary for example) and likely for many years in the future any kind of dependency from the USA will be viewed suspiciously. European (and Canadian, though their geography is arguably a little less forgiving) voters also know that looking East is also not an option, neither South, so they will likely keep turning inwards, with the USA having less and less influence.
Canada and America are neighbours. It is far cheaper for Canada to ship things south into a giant market than to ship east and west into our own, smaller markets. Trading with anyone else in the world entails much larger shipping expenses. This is structural, and applies to something exceeding 90% of our trade.
Carney is wrong, but he's not a fool. I read this as high-level virtue signalling to two audiences: Canadian left-patriots, who love to hate America while (unknowingly) free-riding on the benefits of the relationship. He has a vulnerable majority and is smart enough to plan ahead for the next election. Over half of Boomers support the Liberals, so he is playing to their emotions. He doesn't need to play to their pocket books, because they're mostly as rich as they're going to get, so he can trade economics for votes.
Second: he's signalling to China, and other international trade partners, that we are open for business. Carney has been struggling with pro-China (former) members of his caucus also being pro-slave-labour[0]. This is a message that, as he indicated in his Davos speech[1], he is willing to be flexible on Human Rights if the price is right.
America hasn't changed. When Trump is gone the American export market will remain.
Carney is wrong, but he's not a fool. He's amoral.
The biggest problem is that Canada shares a long land border with the US but is isolated by oceans from other countries. Having alternatives is good, but conflict with the US is dangerous. The US could do a huge amount of damage just by blocking trade with Canada. They're also capable of blocking trade between Canada and other countries, and occupying Canada. It is probably unwise to escalate conflict when the other side can escalate a lot more.
I mean, for the first 100 yearsish of our existence we actively traded mostly with the "mother country" via shipping through the St Lawrence. Fur trade and then agriculture and forestry goods, etc. Our entire initial infrastructure from rail to canals was built for west -> east movement of goods.
The (over) emphasis on north south came a bit later. And certainly since the signing of the FTA it's been the most important thing.
Shipping to China from ports in Vancouver and to Europe from ports in the gulf of St Lawrence is actually quite strategically advantageous.
> "Nixon should be told," Kissinger said, "that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - William F. Buckley Jr. claimed this was said in November of 1968, after Nixon was elected but before he was inaugurated.
Trump had 1 term already. Biden did attack Canada multiple times. But we have 200 years of being friends with the USA. They were specific attacks and that doesnt end our relationship.
Chretien: “We have no better friend than the United States.”
Martin: “Our relationship with the United States is our most important.”
Trudeau: “There is no closer friend, partner, and ally than the United States.”
The only thing to change was a new Prime Minister. Who has attacked the USA as fascist; a feeling Liberals in Canada very much agree with. He and his wife talk about a new world order. Why is he pushing anti-USA so hard?
Biden, republicans and the democrats pulled him in front of congress to answer questions about potential antitrust/collusion he was committing. JPmorgan and BOA pulled out alleging collusion. Vanguard and many others exitted shortly afterwards. This collusion system fell apart.
However, when Carney became liberal leader and prime minister. The investigations were paused and Trump endorsed Carney many times. While Carney is also unable to get a deal with the USA.
Carney was colluding in the name of climate change, but as PM he has temporarily gotten rid of the carbon tax, and lowered federal excise. Imagine being pro-climate change and also being the guy who is dismantling his own party's efforts. Or wait was it all fraudulent collusion?
In reality, Carney ran on the platform of getting a deal with Trump but seems to be intentionally sabotaging this process. Which will cost Canada millions of jobs.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 56.4 ms ] threadThe Trump administration has treated Canada and Canadians appallingly. It will take many years and another President, but I hope the U.S. can repair relations. The onus is on us.
Canada honored its commitments. The U.S. started this stupid trade war.
- Carney's Davos speech (Jan 2026) evoked "workers of the world unite" [1];
- Carney's pre-election speech (Mar 2025) claimed the old relationship with the US is over [2]; and
- Trump's handling of Canada relations, particularly with the tariff frenzy, basically ended up giving the election to Carney [3].
This administration is busy destroying the relationships and institutions that the US created for America's interests like NATO.
[1]: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-a...
[2]: https://speakola.com/political/mark-carney-response-to-trump...
[3]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypz7yx73wo
there is absolutely no way that Carney, a career banker with ties to the Royals, would ever say or imply "workers of the world unite".
him and his homies are firm believers of "workers of the world stfu"
First off, the difference in diction between PM Mark Carney and other world leaders is startling. Clear, cogent reasoning with rhetoric meant to impart on the listener that the speaker respects them and the presentation of an actual plan instead of just concepts of one is refreshing.
Second. I've been finding it more and more difficult to communicate online with Americans or people who have succumbed to contemporary American-brained thinking. There's something corrosive about being surrounded by slurred, infantile thinking, it seems like even the most intelligent people will eventually succumb to it and regurgitate it back because they see it as the easy road and suffer no immediate consequences for doing so.
It's extremely frustrating to see this come from American oligarchs who bend the knee to a mad king with a sexual penchant for young girls. To satiate their greed people like Sam Altman and Tim Cook align themselves with the worst of American society and unctuously flatter them with gaudy bauble bribes and obsequious speeches. Sure it serves their immediate purposes but what are the long term consequences of this? Do these people realize that every time they sell a piece of their soul to increase their personal wealth it destroys a piece of their society? Do they care?
It seems like America is rudderless now, a living ghost shambling into an uncertain but terminal future. Other countries see that now and there's a strong 'if it bleeds we can kill it' vibe after watching America deplete years of missile stocks against Iran only to watch China begin to resupply Iranian stockpiles to provide the Americans with another opportunity to deplete years more.
Where does America go from here?
the Russians are also pushing, esp. for the "get Canada out of NATO" folks we've seen in Edmonton and Calgary
Carney is wrong, but he's not a fool. I read this as high-level virtue signalling to two audiences: Canadian left-patriots, who love to hate America while (unknowingly) free-riding on the benefits of the relationship. He has a vulnerable majority and is smart enough to plan ahead for the next election. Over half of Boomers support the Liberals, so he is playing to their emotions. He doesn't need to play to their pocket books, because they're mostly as rich as they're going to get, so he can trade economics for votes.
Second: he's signalling to China, and other international trade partners, that we are open for business. Carney has been struggling with pro-China (former) members of his caucus also being pro-slave-labour[0]. This is a message that, as he indicated in his Davos speech[1], he is willing to be flexible on Human Rights if the price is right.
America hasn't changed. When Trump is gone the American export market will remain.
Carney is wrong, but he's not a fool. He's amoral.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFHgR4vAurg
[1]: https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-a...
The (over) emphasis on north south came a bit later. And certainly since the signing of the FTA it's been the most important thing.
Shipping to China from ports in Vancouver and to Europe from ports in the gulf of St Lawrence is actually quite strategically advantageous.
It's on us to push to develop this more.
Chretien: “We have no better friend than the United States.”
Martin: “Our relationship with the United States is our most important.”
Trudeau: “There is no closer friend, partner, and ally than the United States.”
The only thing to change was a new Prime Minister. Who has attacked the USA as fascist; a feeling Liberals in Canada very much agree with. He and his wife talk about a new world order. Why is he pushing anti-USA so hard?
Biden, republicans and the democrats pulled him in front of congress to answer questions about potential antitrust/collusion he was committing. JPmorgan and BOA pulled out alleging collusion. Vanguard and many others exitted shortly afterwards. This collusion system fell apart.
However, when Carney became liberal leader and prime minister. The investigations were paused and Trump endorsed Carney many times. While Carney is also unable to get a deal with the USA.
Carney was colluding in the name of climate change, but as PM he has temporarily gotten rid of the carbon tax, and lowered federal excise. Imagine being pro-climate change and also being the guy who is dismantling his own party's efforts. Or wait was it all fraudulent collusion?
In reality, Carney ran on the platform of getting a deal with Trump but seems to be intentionally sabotaging this process. Which will cost Canada millions of jobs.