Given how much Google lives to mash their offerings together, and then sunset them, I live in fear of them killing Google Youtube Music (or whatever it's called), in favor of combining functionality with this, and having my music cycle between my actual library, and bespoke AI-generated stuff.
What I really hate about all of this, whether it’s music, images, video or anything else, is how much they all use the word “create.” As in, you can create the music you’ve always imagined.
You. Are. Not. Creating. Anything.
You are prompting. Then tweaking, changing, adjusting, etc. The tech is incredible, don’t get me wrong, but it’s advertised so blatantly as the user doing the creating.
Use it as a creativity tool, but don’t get caught up in the false belief that what it spits out is something you created.
Old man yells at cloud. Going back to my cave now.
Really bad at prompt adherence. Was trying to get it to compose a solo old time banjo piece.
Couldn't get it to stop adding in backing instrumentals at all and it sounded too much like bluegrass style.
"solo banjo instrumental, strictly no other instruments" ... ten seconds later: drums, a fiddle, and a guitar join in.
I wanted it to make a "PAMS" or "JAM CReative" style radio jingle, like the radio jingles of 70s radio stations but for my website. It failed miserably
Why not call it Slopify? Humans are the new vinyl.
https://flippa.com/12100071 - I was wondering why SmashHaus was for sale. (no affiliation) Peak value. It's only downhill from here for outsourced music.
Tried to prompt some instrumental progressive metal with keyboard and guitar unison solos and some back and forth call and reply riffing and eventually it just kinda forgot that there was supposed to even be keyboards in the song. Basically slop knockoff of Liquid Tension Experiment.
The sound of the guitar is good but the keyboard sounded realy awful, just like a Casio toy keyboard pretending to be a piano. Like truely awful sounding, which is when I prompted the AI to try to fix the tone and then it basically just removed it.
The drums were also waaaaay too prominent so I asked it make them a bit more subdued in the mix and it just ended up slowing down everything to the point it just kinda sounded like generic radio alt-rock instead.
But basically once the keyboards were forgotten no amount of prompting could “convince” it to bring them back.
I tried Suno a few months ago out of morbid curiosity and it was waaaay better than this. Actually got something that made my musician friends actually kinda nervous.
Really not a fan of the "ChatGPT" style UI, did they even look at something like Suno at all? This is a little silly to me.
The music sounds decent, I feel like its missing some things, to be fair Suno still doesn't know what a Puerto Rican guiro is. I assume a lot of these AI platforms will take many iterations.
Things Suno needs to figure out and maybe Google now too, is how to let someone pick a specific voice, and get a rather unique voice, I've heard a few songs in Suno with similar voices to my own songs, and its kind of weird.
I do love making the songs as a hobby, so not a big deal. All in all, AI music is really fun to toy with, especially blending genres together.
One very noticeable difference against Suno is Google Flow Music lets you make Music Videos, which I have yet to test. I wonder if I can use my Suno songs to make music videos for them, not sure I'm vibing with Google's Music AI yet.
Aside: Makes me chuckle a little, since "Flow Music" is a reggaeton catch phrase by Arcangel who would always say "Flow Music" even though it was always called "Flow Factory" he would call it Flow Music.
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There's some awkward factors Google will need to work out, while the instruments and voices sound nice and clear, the rythm feels weirdly off for some songs, its like the voices are not matching the genre mix, its also missing some nuances I've asked for, I assume it does not know what "wobble bass" means. Suno lets you describe nuanced specific sounds or instruments and uses them how you describe.
I told it to have a dubstep breakdown in the middle, it keeps the artist singing / rapping, which is bizarre, that's not how a breakdown would be...
Suno takes great care to make sure the voice always matches whatever is going on with the beat, including humming the beat / bass / brass / whatever instruments are being played.
Glad Suno is going to have some real competition, I just hope Google doesn't kill Suno with its bigger wallet, would be a shame.
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Final verdict from me is, it feels like less polished than Suno in terms of music, but more features. Suno lacks music creation which still annoys me they let you make a lyric video that's one single orientation / resolution, you have zero control over it otherwise.
There's a "workspace builder" which you prompt and it builds a web app that lets you create songs and what not, not sure what all the features of it is, but it is interesting as well.
If they get this more on par with Suno, they might for the first time ever take money from me since I left the Android / Google platform many moons ago.
This is their recent acquisition (producer.ai) rebranded.
Before the purchase, the quality of generations had been going down for a while (IMO; subjective and anecdotal). I tested multiple iterations of their chat interface and was never thrilled with its ability to actually understand or adhere to prompts. I had liked their previous (Suno/Udio-like) iteration (Riffusion).
Curious to hear how it performs for people now and whether anything has improved.
it can't remix. even comfyui can remix on my desktop. I've used udio, suno, comfyui with the music generation models, and one other site that i can't remember the name of since it was through a friend.
They all kinda suck, you do have to run generation many times unless you're very lucky.
I and my friend wrote 10 albums between 1997 and 2007. we went solo for geographical regions, and i stopped writing music altogether in 2017 or so, only doing arrangements, mashups, mastering.
and now i don't even know if i ever want to get back into music, because i can rapidly generate a "good enough for the moment" track, like when the south korean president tried to coup: https://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/i-aint-even-writing-music-a... Oh by the way the lyrics are in lojban except for "... and the people were pissed"
the oldest stuff on those three sites i mentioned is all hand written by me over the years.
It's good, I have this song I generated last year with Suno which stuck with me and I just tried having Flow generate a variant and it was acceptable. Sometimes the lyrics get modified for no reason. It would be better if you could control emphasis by specifying tags or something along those lines, but it seems fun to play around. If there was an intermediate step where a symbolic or partial processing of your input was shown for tweaking, it would be immensely powerful.
One of the key issues that I encountered after a few song generations is that it feels very rushed, like it's constrained to this 3 minute limit per song so it forces every section of the song to conform to a very specific structure. I tried increasing the limit to 4 minutes but it still gave me 3 minute songs.
Honestly, I feel like this product is showing up a bit late to the party and it's not really feeling particularly innovative. There's nothing egregiously bad about it, but it doesn't seem to add anything new or special that I could notice.
I don't have a microphone hooked up so I can't try the voice interface, but it would be really fun if you could sing to it in order to iteratively compose a song. It could clean up your voice a bit and add music. Or being able to hum out a beat which it converts into a track which you slowly build up. Is anyone able to try if those capabilities are possible with the existing product?
Overall, I'm not sure if a chat interface is the best way to produce a song. It feels very restrictive to have full songs as the primary iteration mechanism. In a text file and in code you can inspect or modify different sections or components very easily. I think a more human-focused tool would provide an on-ramp towards full music production, where you can focus on the parts that you care about and enjoy, while the AI tool fills the other parts with sausage. Right now you can chat with the tool but it appears to be quite limited in the kind of changes that it can make.
This is the type of thing that really doesn't interest me. Algorithmic junk that sounds "good", similar to the kind of writing an LLM generates. Sure you can do it, but the main use cases are AI Slop (IMO). Slopify is a great name
It can generate something well produced, but it's really bad at applying taste or direction in the way a human does.
The workflow feels wrong. it should be closer to a DAW with chat, where the model outputs stems, samples and arrangement parts instead of one finished track. Then you could target a specific sound, section or idea and actually develop it.
Ok, someone explain the use case for this? Jingles? Making a song about your friend / sig other? Are people thinking they are going to sell these songs and create an AI artist?
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 52.0 ms ] threadI could understand if this was an API that people built products around, but it seems to be geared directly at consumers.
You. Are. Not. Creating. Anything.
You are prompting. Then tweaking, changing, adjusting, etc. The tech is incredible, don’t get me wrong, but it’s advertised so blatantly as the user doing the creating.
Use it as a creativity tool, but don’t get caught up in the false belief that what it spits out is something you created.
Old man yells at cloud. Going back to my cave now.
They're a music store, they sell music, both to own, but also renting their vast library out.
Google should learn not to shit where they eat.
Nice
"solo banjo instrumental, strictly no other instruments" ... ten seconds later: drums, a fiddle, and a guitar join in.
> My bad—I forgot to hook up the sound system.
And then it started playing jazz, which I'm not mad about. Nice to see Google trying fun stuff.
https://flippa.com/12100071 - I was wondering why SmashHaus was for sale. (no affiliation) Peak value. It's only downhill from here for outsourced music.
The sound of the guitar is good but the keyboard sounded realy awful, just like a Casio toy keyboard pretending to be a piano. Like truely awful sounding, which is when I prompted the AI to try to fix the tone and then it basically just removed it.
The drums were also waaaaay too prominent so I asked it make them a bit more subdued in the mix and it just ended up slowing down everything to the point it just kinda sounded like generic radio alt-rock instead.
But basically once the keyboards were forgotten no amount of prompting could “convince” it to bring them back.
I tried Suno a few months ago out of morbid curiosity and it was waaaay better than this. Actually got something that made my musician friends actually kinda nervous.
The music sounds decent, I feel like its missing some things, to be fair Suno still doesn't know what a Puerto Rican guiro is. I assume a lot of these AI platforms will take many iterations.
Things Suno needs to figure out and maybe Google now too, is how to let someone pick a specific voice, and get a rather unique voice, I've heard a few songs in Suno with similar voices to my own songs, and its kind of weird.
I do love making the songs as a hobby, so not a big deal. All in all, AI music is really fun to toy with, especially blending genres together.
One very noticeable difference against Suno is Google Flow Music lets you make Music Videos, which I have yet to test. I wonder if I can use my Suno songs to make music videos for them, not sure I'm vibing with Google's Music AI yet.
Aside: Makes me chuckle a little, since "Flow Music" is a reggaeton catch phrase by Arcangel who would always say "Flow Music" even though it was always called "Flow Factory" he would call it Flow Music.
Edit:
There's some awkward factors Google will need to work out, while the instruments and voices sound nice and clear, the rythm feels weirdly off for some songs, its like the voices are not matching the genre mix, its also missing some nuances I've asked for, I assume it does not know what "wobble bass" means. Suno lets you describe nuanced specific sounds or instruments and uses them how you describe.
I told it to have a dubstep breakdown in the middle, it keeps the artist singing / rapping, which is bizarre, that's not how a breakdown would be...
Suno takes great care to make sure the voice always matches whatever is going on with the beat, including humming the beat / bass / brass / whatever instruments are being played.
Glad Suno is going to have some real competition, I just hope Google doesn't kill Suno with its bigger wallet, would be a shame.
Edit:
Final verdict from me is, it feels like less polished than Suno in terms of music, but more features. Suno lacks music creation which still annoys me they let you make a lyric video that's one single orientation / resolution, you have zero control over it otherwise.
There's a "workspace builder" which you prompt and it builds a web app that lets you create songs and what not, not sure what all the features of it is, but it is interesting as well.
If they get this more on par with Suno, they might for the first time ever take money from me since I left the Android / Google platform many moons ago.
Before the purchase, the quality of generations had been going down for a while (IMO; subjective and anecdotal). I tested multiple iterations of their chat interface and was never thrilled with its ability to actually understand or adhere to prompts. I had liked their previous (Suno/Udio-like) iteration (Riffusion).
Curious to hear how it performs for people now and whether anything has improved.
I especially love the glitchy ui sounds, although I suspect it's hardly intentional.
They all kinda suck, you do have to run generation many times unless you're very lucky.
I and my friend wrote 10 albums between 1997 and 2007. we went solo for geographical regions, and i stopped writing music altogether in 2017 or so, only doing arrangements, mashups, mastering.
I can't use this google product to make a song. source for credentials is my youtube, soundclick, and soundcloud accounts, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXro-e0e7aA
and now i don't even know if i ever want to get back into music, because i can rapidly generate a "good enough for the moment" track, like when the south korean president tried to coup: https://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/i-aint-even-writing-music-a... Oh by the way the lyrics are in lojban except for "... and the people were pissed"
the oldest stuff on those three sites i mentioned is all hand written by me over the years.
One of the key issues that I encountered after a few song generations is that it feels very rushed, like it's constrained to this 3 minute limit per song so it forces every section of the song to conform to a very specific structure. I tried increasing the limit to 4 minutes but it still gave me 3 minute songs.
Honestly, I feel like this product is showing up a bit late to the party and it's not really feeling particularly innovative. There's nothing egregiously bad about it, but it doesn't seem to add anything new or special that I could notice.
I don't have a microphone hooked up so I can't try the voice interface, but it would be really fun if you could sing to it in order to iteratively compose a song. It could clean up your voice a bit and add music. Or being able to hum out a beat which it converts into a track which you slowly build up. Is anyone able to try if those capabilities are possible with the existing product?
Overall, I'm not sure if a chat interface is the best way to produce a song. It feels very restrictive to have full songs as the primary iteration mechanism. In a text file and in code you can inspect or modify different sections or components very easily. I think a more human-focused tool would provide an on-ramp towards full music production, where you can focus on the parts that you care about and enjoy, while the AI tool fills the other parts with sausage. Right now you can chat with the tool but it appears to be quite limited in the kind of changes that it can make.
The workflow feels wrong. it should be closer to a DAW with chat, where the model outputs stems, samples and arrangement parts instead of one finished track. Then you could target a specific sound, section or idea and actually develop it.