Incredible news. I've ordered one myself... wish the 16 Pro was out but I figure it makes sense to support companies doing the things you want.
The last thread on framework was disappointing in how many said "oh, if it just had X I'd totally buy it" who probably all use Mac's with it's basic configuration.
I mean, I have to imagine the type of people that even know about Framework's products, let alone those that have interest in buying them, are overwhelmingly likely to be the type of people that use Linux, not Windows.
Not to pooh-pooh their success! Just my initial reaction to this headline was that it's a bit misleading/silly.
Is framework aiming for mass market breakthrough? if so, I hope they're planning on the macbook neo. I have no reason to recommend it outside of tech-enthusiast circles over a macbook now, thanks to the neo. But I really don't think they want mass market, it wouldn't be a win for anyone. By design, it's a "repairable" computer, so people who want to repair their own laptop are the main customers.
You can't repair macs easily, but they last long enough for that to not be an issue. and honestly, the apple care experience is ideal for most people.
I do hope then that they stick to the tech-enthusiast market perfecting Linux-friendly laptops. The laptop market hasn't learned from framework's success, so I was hoping at the wake of the neo's success, someone could prove a similar quality laptop is possible by a non-apple company, keeping the competition alive.
My biggest concern for them is, one of these bigger laptop makers panic because of losses from the neo, and takes over framework.
I like the form factor, screen quality (even though I prefer 16:10), the fact it works, the ports, but I'm lowkey pissed with the atrocious battery life - my new 13" AMD dies after 36h in sleep mode, unplugged and put to sleep at 90%
All the firmware updates are installed, there's nothing concerning in the logs.
Weak and laughable. Not even a few years old xps13s with hundreds cycles are this bad.
For office work, fine, plenty of horsepower, easy to fix, but not for private use at this point.
Framework isn't as mass market as your typical laptop competitors. You can make an assumption a purchaser of framework is tech minded / informed shopper.
You can also see their prebuilt option is Windows only.
When going DIY, adding Windows is between $225 and $339 depending on edition.
Most informed shoppers and techheads also know you can go to key selling websites and get completely legal and working Windows keys for <$20.
How can it be piracy if the code are valid. Most of these keys come from legal source in other countries with lower prices or from bulk resellers. Either way for many giving more money to microsoft directly is even more unethical.
This is not surprising, given how many of us were buying Netbooks, even with their OEM specific Linux distros, until Microsoft came up with the Windows XP discount.
My ASUS 1215B survived from 2009 up to 2024, with multiple Ubuntu LTS updates, HDD replaced with SDD and eventually maxed out to 8 GB.
IF Dell, Asus, Lenovo et all started selling on regular computer stores what is only available to computer nerds on their online stores, this would be much more noticeable.
As it is, normies walk into a store and get to chose between Windows, macOS, Chromebooks, iPad Pro or Android DEX/HyperOS Workstation/....
To be fair, many of those who choose Linux at checkout will still end up installing Windows. They’ll just acquire it themselves, sometimes in non-traditional or novel ways.
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[ 4.5 ms ] story [ 29.6 ms ] threadThe last thread on framework was disappointing in how many said "oh, if it just had X I'd totally buy it" who probably all use Mac's with it's basic configuration.
Not to pooh-pooh their success! Just my initial reaction to this headline was that it's a bit misleading/silly.
You can't repair macs easily, but they last long enough for that to not be an issue. and honestly, the apple care experience is ideal for most people.
I do hope then that they stick to the tech-enthusiast market perfecting Linux-friendly laptops. The laptop market hasn't learned from framework's success, so I was hoping at the wake of the neo's success, someone could prove a similar quality laptop is possible by a non-apple company, keeping the competition alive.
My biggest concern for them is, one of these bigger laptop makers panic because of losses from the neo, and takes over framework.
All the firmware updates are installed, there's nothing concerning in the logs.
Weak and laughable. Not even a few years old xps13s with hundreds cycles are this bad.
For office work, fine, plenty of horsepower, easy to fix, but not for private use at this point.
Framework isn't as mass market as your typical laptop competitors. You can make an assumption a purchaser of framework is tech minded / informed shopper.
You can also see their prebuilt option is Windows only.
When going DIY, adding Windows is between $225 and $339 depending on edition.
Most informed shoppers and techheads also know you can go to key selling websites and get completely legal and working Windows keys for <$20.
Why would people volunteer to pay 1000% more?
My ASUS 1215B survived from 2009 up to 2024, with multiple Ubuntu LTS updates, HDD replaced with SDD and eventually maxed out to 8 GB.
IF Dell, Asus, Lenovo et all started selling on regular computer stores what is only available to computer nerds on their online stores, this would be much more noticeable.
As it is, normies walk into a store and get to chose between Windows, macOS, Chromebooks, iPad Pro or Android DEX/HyperOS Workstation/....
https://community.frame.work/t/feasibility-of-diy-intel-me-n...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processo...