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Israeli teen pulls HN propaganda post

4 points by lifeguard ↗ HN
Recently a link was posted to a web page that showed a clock and sounds of Israeli air-raid sirens.

http://lifeunderfire.com/

killed thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4801262

When the thread discussion brought up Palestinian perspectives, the post was deleted.

http://benjaminlang.com/about-2/

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lifeguard
Here was my response to the original post:

This is really well made propaganda to portray Israelis as victims. They are not victims. The world needs to pressure Israel to end their special brand of apartheid. Some may say the Palestinians have their own state so it isn't apartheid. But they do not have a state in the normal sense of the word. For example, Israel dictates what planes and ships can land.

I personally support human rights and religious freedom.

tboren
Such self righteousness. The only reason Israel attacks military targets in Gaza is because it has to defend itself. There is no point in getting into a "who started it first" argument.

It baffles me that the world is so ignorant towards the fact that Israel has been tolerant to decades of daily attack from Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

No one protests, no one shouts, nothing. But the moment Israel decides to defend itself it becomes the target of demonizing propaganda (for example: the picture of the injured Israeli baby, with a caption that says it is a Palestinian baby injured by the IDF. Or the picture of the dead Syrian child, with the same caption).

Israeli citizens ARE victims. Who are you to say they're not? They are not the only victims - war is messy and full of mistakes, but the IDF does everything in its power to not hurt innocent Gaza civillians (phone calls, pamphlets, canceling attacks altogether, etc.)

I also find it interesting that many started calling Hamas terrorists Hamas "militants". It's like someone would start calling terrorists Al Qaeda militants and scold the U.S. for defending itself. Hamas is a terrorist organization and it always has been. Back in 2004 it even recognized itself as such.

My point is - who are you to say that Israelis are not victims? I bet you're sitting very comfortable very far away from any missiles while you type these void remarks. Israel has a right to defend itself.

lifeguard
That is a lot of words to say nothing. Interesting you agree that Israel is practicing apartheid (since you didn't try to refute it)

Israel needs to make peace with the Palestinians. Not occupy them for thirty years.

Israel is a democracy. The citizens are responsible for what their government does.

tboren
Don't put words in my mouth. I do not agree with that at all.

A lot of words that say nothing? What kind of argument is that?

Israel has tried to make peace with the Palestinians for years. It never worked out. Do you even know how this "so called" occupation started?

The day after Israel declared independence, it was attacked by all its neighboring countries and somehow won. That is how these territories became a part of Israel.

Israel is a democracy. That is correct. The citizens are responsible for what their government does. That is arguable. But if what the government does is defend its citizens, then I'm sure that all would be more than happy to have it continue be that way.

Here are some links and pictures that you may find... educating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuN2oGdnwHI https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/553696_101512570...

adrianwaj
Those Hamas guys couldn't make peace with a Tulip. Maybe an Opium poppy. They've proved this time and time again and may have even been created for war. You live in cuckoo land.
lifeguard
You still have not explained how Israel has not been ethnically cleansing Palestinians, other than saying, "it didn't work out".
tboren
The only people who live in the Gaza strip are Palestinians. Since the rockets are being fired from the Gaza strip, that is the only logical place to attack (note: attack only Hamas military bases, sending plenty of warnings hours before any attacks. It is extremely unfortunate that the Hamas keeps civillians hostage and uses them as human shields, and it is even more unfortunate that you completely ignore that.)

Honestly, a little reading into the whole situation and you'll see that Israel is really not to blame here. I'm not saying everything Israel has done in the past is 100% pure, but all Israel is doing is defending its people. Go to the New York Times, CNN, and read past the slightly biased headlines. You'll see.

ynniv
I don't think the post was deleted by the author, I think it was flagged to death for being political and not relevant.