Correct. Elop is Full of Shit. Period. My faith is back in Nokia, when they supply a phone with Google, Nexus by Nokia. Now that would be something. Elop still doesn't seem to understand that Android is "The Windows" of the mobile devices. We don't need yet another closed ecosystem, that is Microsoft's. If there is ever going to be the third ecosystem, that would be in lines of MeeGo/Tizen/Jolla.
Slightly OT, but I'm a bit annoyed at HN's recent... scatological shift.
Since when did it become vogue to, pardon the pun, shit all over people in your blog posts/titles?
Apparently entrepreneurship is better known as entrepreneurshit. Then we find out that that itself is bullshit. And now Elop is full of shit.
Shit. Shit. Shit. And more to the point, can we as a community and industry not do anything except put down others with sensationalist linkbait titles? Can we not criticize companies and people without acting like a bunch of 12 year-olds who just figured out some cuss words?
Where is the decorum and mutual respect? Why is it that every. single. day I come on hacker news and every. single. day I find some blogger slagging another blogger? Why do we act like the macho-male version of Mean Girls?
This post would be equally annoying had "shit" been replaced with something classier like "pompous idiotic blowhard". The issue is not with swearing, it's with the fact that a large portion of HN's front page every day is filled with one tech industry personality (or wannabe personality) slinging metaphorical poo at another.
The pointless overuse of swear words really just makes an already juvenile situation even more childish.
In this situation all the good will is already used, and the polite approaches have already been tried. Nothing does seem to get the message to Nokia, and now we have entered to the "screw you" phase. Nokia has decent hardware (good cameras, nice touchscreen and display, and some great services). They have just selected the wrong horse to deliver that. And why did they even had to select in a first place. None of their competitors have. While Elop, and Siilasmaa is on the board, nothing is going to change. That's really a sad state of Nokia. Nokia is not anymore lead by business decisions, but by some weird politics, where neither Nokia's board of directors nor their management cannot do anything about it. But whatever they do, they have lost their face already. Nokia is not a respectable company. They don't build their own success anymore.
This doesn't have to do with HN or bloggers. This has to do with the general populace. Have you been in Facebook off late? Whenever I see some pictures of anyone there, there's always someone commenting "you look gorgeous", "wow, you look smashing". Or people saying "we had the best time ever", "I did mind blowing stuff" etc etc.
This is just the language people use these days. Wodehouse would be very happy that he is not a part of this generation.
"He's not just a regular moron. He's the product of the greatest minds of a generation, working together with the express purpose of building the dumbest moron that ever lived. And YOU just put him in charge of the ENTIRE facility."
Elop's mismanagement of Nokia was tragedy in 2011; farce in 2012. I don't remember something this bad since Commodore's management decided to ram it into the ground, turning "Amiga" into an orphaned platform and target for brand necromancy.
MeeGo wouldn't have been, ipso facto a flop; they just needed to market it and commit to it. An excellent, GNU/Linux-based OS running on Nokia's superb hardware with a responsive UI that some say trounced even the iPhone's -- it could have been the thing hackers and consumers alike would have said "shut up and take my money" to. And even if MeeGo never got off the ground, Nokia had more in-house Linux experience than most of the major players in the handset space; they were perfectly positioned to use Android as a fallback and deliver AMAZING Android hardware.
So many missed opportunities. It seems as if Elop is hell-bent on augering in the smoking remains of what was once Finland's strongest brand, instead of trying to salvage it. All for what, a little bit of money? Some buttpats from his friends at Microsoft? Is this some sort of elaborate pump-and-dump scheme? To crib another Portal line, it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Well, of course it was a disaster long before Elop. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be Elop in a first place. What happened after Elop, is how we should evaluate Elop. And that is really really sad tale. It's not something like "my strategy works, but the company refuses to follow that", type of a thing. It is just, that Elop has hurt Nokia so much more. It's not even funny anymore. It is really hard to understand why he is still allowed to continue. Probably he is, because all who had critic voices have already left the building or kicked out. Elop has hired his fellows in the company. And Elop also sits on Nokia's board. It's quite common situation these days. Weak board, strong management. Elop is a strong leader, but his decisions are horrible. There are no indication anywhere that shows that Elop has succeeded in something. He hasn't. It's a total disaster.
This saga between Microsoft, Nokia, Elop and Ballmer reeks of the foulest deal making and corporate strategy. First of all, I can only comment on the deal i think occurred since I unfortunately, like you all, don't have any of the important details of this deal.
Nonetheless, I can't really understand what exactly was going through Elop's head when he made that deal with Microsoft. How, as a CEO, can you make such a move? The guy cornered himself, or gets cornered (or persuaded even) to only make phones for the least popular OS on the mobile phone market (maybe not the least popular, but certainly not the leading), which not only is a strategically weak situation with no maneuvering, but ensures that you're company is going to lose.
Microsoft has shown this year that it doesn't care, it's part of the deal is open, it can get any OEM to make phones for it's platform, but, Nokia cannot!!! Does this make sens to you? Not in the least bit!
Then when all fails. And it has failed. When the company is losing money like crazy, he can't jump ship and make phone that consumers want i.e. Android phones. Why is this, is he prohibited by the deal, or is he riding it out to see what happens? It has to be the first former.
How can a person, who pretty much commits business suicide, continue to lead this company? Where is the board on this? Why aren't people resigning or getting fired?
This is even more dire for Nokia as they don't make tablets or laptops, as opposed to Asus, Samsung and Sony. So they can't leverage the conditions of their deal throughout a product line.
So as a consumer I don't particularly care much for Nokia proper, although it is a shame that they suck at business because they're really good at making actually products. This being said, consumers are losing choice and competition, me included, and despite this I hope that the market SEVERELY punishes Elop and Nokia for their awful decisions (and, it is).
This saga between Microsoft, Nokia, Elop and Ballmer reeks of the foulest deal making and corporate strategy. First of all, I can only comment on the deal i think occurred since I unfortunately, like you all, don't have any of the important details of this deal.
Nonetheless, I can't really understand what exactly was going through Elop's head when he made that deal with Microsoft. How, as a CEO, can you make such a move? The guy cornered himself, or gets cornered (or persuaded even) to only make phones for the least popular OS on the mobile phone market (maybe not the least popular, but certainly not the leading), which not only is a strategically weak situation with no maneuvering, but ensures that you're company is going to lose.
Microsoft has shown this year that it doesn't care, it's part of the deal is open, it can get any OEM to make phones for it's platform, but, Nokia cannot explore other OSs!!! Does this make sens to you? Not in the least bit!
Then when all fails. And it has failed. When the company is losing money like crazy, he can't jump ship and make phone that consumers want i.e. Android phones. Why is this, is he prohibited by the deal, or is he riding it out to see what happens? It has to be the former.
How can a person, who pretty much commits business suicide, continue to lead this company? Where is the board on this? Why aren't people resigning or getting fired?
This is even more dire for Nokia as they don't make tablets or laptops, as opposed to Asus, Samsung and Sony. So they can't leverage the conditions of their deal throughout a product line.
So as a consumer I don't particularly care much for Nokia proper, although it is a shame that they suck at business because they're really good at making actual products. This being said, consumers are losing choice and competition, myself included, and despite this I hope that the market SEVERELY punishes Elop and Nokia for their awful decisions (and, it is).
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 38.1 ms ] threadSince when did it become vogue to, pardon the pun, shit all over people in your blog posts/titles?
Apparently entrepreneurship is better known as entrepreneurshit. Then we find out that that itself is bullshit. And now Elop is full of shit.
Shit. Shit. Shit. And more to the point, can we as a community and industry not do anything except put down others with sensationalist linkbait titles? Can we not criticize companies and people without acting like a bunch of 12 year-olds who just figured out some cuss words?
Where is the decorum and mutual respect? Why is it that every. single. day I come on hacker news and every. single. day I find some blogger slagging another blogger? Why do we act like the macho-male version of Mean Girls?
The pointless overuse of swear words really just makes an already juvenile situation even more childish.
People have found they can game the system for clicks, and they are doing so to their fullest.
The biggest problem is that some of these rants actually have value. It's just impossible to tell which ones.
It is what it is, though. I guess it's what happens when you let people submit stuff without moderation. 'Twas nice while it lasted, HN.
This is just the language people use these days. Wodehouse would be very happy that he is not a part of this generation.
Elop's mismanagement of Nokia was tragedy in 2011; farce in 2012. I don't remember something this bad since Commodore's management decided to ram it into the ground, turning "Amiga" into an orphaned platform and target for brand necromancy.
MeeGo wouldn't have been, ipso facto a flop; they just needed to market it and commit to it. An excellent, GNU/Linux-based OS running on Nokia's superb hardware with a responsive UI that some say trounced even the iPhone's -- it could have been the thing hackers and consumers alike would have said "shut up and take my money" to. And even if MeeGo never got off the ground, Nokia had more in-house Linux experience than most of the major players in the handset space; they were perfectly positioned to use Android as a fallback and deliver AMAZING Android hardware.
So many missed opportunities. It seems as if Elop is hell-bent on augering in the smoking remains of what was once Finland's strongest brand, instead of trying to salvage it. All for what, a little bit of money? Some buttpats from his friends at Microsoft? Is this some sort of elaborate pump-and-dump scheme? To crib another Portal line, it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Nonetheless, I can't really understand what exactly was going through Elop's head when he made that deal with Microsoft. How, as a CEO, can you make such a move? The guy cornered himself, or gets cornered (or persuaded even) to only make phones for the least popular OS on the mobile phone market (maybe not the least popular, but certainly not the leading), which not only is a strategically weak situation with no maneuvering, but ensures that you're company is going to lose.
Microsoft has shown this year that it doesn't care, it's part of the deal is open, it can get any OEM to make phones for it's platform, but, Nokia cannot!!! Does this make sens to you? Not in the least bit!
Then when all fails. And it has failed. When the company is losing money like crazy, he can't jump ship and make phone that consumers want i.e. Android phones. Why is this, is he prohibited by the deal, or is he riding it out to see what happens? It has to be the first former.
How can a person, who pretty much commits business suicide, continue to lead this company? Where is the board on this? Why aren't people resigning or getting fired?
This is even more dire for Nokia as they don't make tablets or laptops, as opposed to Asus, Samsung and Sony. So they can't leverage the conditions of their deal throughout a product line.
So as a consumer I don't particularly care much for Nokia proper, although it is a shame that they suck at business because they're really good at making actually products. This being said, consumers are losing choice and competition, me included, and despite this I hope that the market SEVERELY punishes Elop and Nokia for their awful decisions (and, it is).
Nonetheless, I can't really understand what exactly was going through Elop's head when he made that deal with Microsoft. How, as a CEO, can you make such a move? The guy cornered himself, or gets cornered (or persuaded even) to only make phones for the least popular OS on the mobile phone market (maybe not the least popular, but certainly not the leading), which not only is a strategically weak situation with no maneuvering, but ensures that you're company is going to lose.
Microsoft has shown this year that it doesn't care, it's part of the deal is open, it can get any OEM to make phones for it's platform, but, Nokia cannot explore other OSs!!! Does this make sens to you? Not in the least bit!
Then when all fails. And it has failed. When the company is losing money like crazy, he can't jump ship and make phone that consumers want i.e. Android phones. Why is this, is he prohibited by the deal, or is he riding it out to see what happens? It has to be the former.
How can a person, who pretty much commits business suicide, continue to lead this company? Where is the board on this? Why aren't people resigning or getting fired?
This is even more dire for Nokia as they don't make tablets or laptops, as opposed to Asus, Samsung and Sony. So they can't leverage the conditions of their deal throughout a product line.
So as a consumer I don't particularly care much for Nokia proper, although it is a shame that they suck at business because they're really good at making actual products. This being said, consumers are losing choice and competition, myself included, and despite this I hope that the market SEVERELY punishes Elop and Nokia for their awful decisions (and, it is).