I use `claude -p` interactively -- I understand why they put it under this new umbrella, but having to open the fullscreen interface each time to not be counted as a programmatic tool is a little disappointing.
This sucks. I use Claude -p over tailscale to code over voice when I’m on the go for accessibility reasons, and most of the time I do the same while at the computer. Running through $200 in API pricing takes no time. Oh well, time to switch providers I guess.
This is annoying because tools like conductor use the SDK. So this will either be the end of conductor for me or I switch to codex. Interesting dilemma.
Ouch. I've just been building a tool to go through my historic usage. I'm only on the Max 5x plan, and I only use about 40% of my weekly usage allowance. But it looks like even that usage would now cost me $1000/month of API usage under the new plan. That's a 10x price increase.
At least we've got clarity now? But a lot of my value comes from "claude -p" usage, either scheduled tasks while I'm asleep, or responding to incoming emails / voicetexts. Even the email replies will barely fit in $100/month. I'm not going to pay $1000 / month, so I guess it really is time for me to look at the competition and move my programmatic usage to them.
Man, I love the Claude models, and the whole idea of constitutional AI. We built a lot of tools & infrastructure together, but kept a lot of logs as well. I'll be really sad if I mostly have to move on now.
I don't think so, because I don't think you can trigger Cowork from an external program?
(I could be wrong!)
I'm not using the regular email connection methods, I don't want to give Anthropic complete access to my email account. I do a ton of deterministic checks first from a Go program that actually checks each email, to avoid lethal trifecta attacks. The model technically has no access to email at all. I only give a prompt with the necessary info, and access to a custom MCP reply tool that can only email me.
Basically I'd want Cowork within my external loop, and Anthropic wants to own the loop instead. (Unless I've missed a way to do it.)
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EDIT: Also, to the person who just tried to lethal trifecta me - nice try, but you just demonstrated all the exact reasons Cowork / claude-code needs to be within the external loop of a deterministic program. This is why you don't just dump external input straight into context, or give the model direct access to everything. We're going to see a lot more of this, not just as more people use agents, but as more hosted webmail systems decide they need to add their own homebrew AI models into everyone's systems. And seriously, German servers really need to start tightening up their security.
So basically local LLMs are rapidly improving to the point where they can handle many of the automation or local coding use cases on reasonable hardware (say $5k or less). What's the edge for frontier model providers here?
frontier models are still way better than local models from what I've seen. To get close to them with large context windows and decent performance, you need more than a reasonable machine imo.
I'm hoping local llms start rapidly improving even more though.
Switched to Codex a few days ago and not regretting it. Claude Code with the $20 subscription has been bad lately. Burning through quota in no time, even when sticking to older Sonnet models.
Just stop using claude. It's easy. Grab pi, some provider with open weights, cheaper inference or a more permissive subscription plan, (openai, Alibaba, deepseek, what have you) and never look back.
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[ 1.7 ms ] story [ 49.9 ms ] threadI think that this is much better than the previous situation with total lack of clarity on what is allowed and what isn't.
Which is interesting, since you'd also think that programmers would be their primary customers.
At least we've got clarity now? But a lot of my value comes from "claude -p" usage, either scheduled tasks while I'm asleep, or responding to incoming emails / voicetexts. Even the email replies will barely fit in $100/month. I'm not going to pay $1000 / month, so I guess it really is time for me to look at the competition and move my programmatic usage to them.
Man, I love the Claude models, and the whole idea of constitutional AI. We built a lot of tools & infrastructure together, but kept a lot of logs as well. I'll be really sad if I mostly have to move on now.
(I could be wrong!)
I'm not using the regular email connection methods, I don't want to give Anthropic complete access to my email account. I do a ton of deterministic checks first from a Go program that actually checks each email, to avoid lethal trifecta attacks. The model technically has no access to email at all. I only give a prompt with the necessary info, and access to a custom MCP reply tool that can only email me.
Basically I'd want Cowork within my external loop, and Anthropic wants to own the loop instead. (Unless I've missed a way to do it.)
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EDIT: Also, to the person who just tried to lethal trifecta me - nice try, but you just demonstrated all the exact reasons Cowork / claude-code needs to be within the external loop of a deterministic program. This is why you don't just dump external input straight into context, or give the model direct access to everything. We're going to see a lot more of this, not just as more people use agents, but as more hosted webmail systems decide they need to add their own homebrew AI models into everyone's systems. And seriously, German servers really need to start tightening up their security.
- The AI gives human prompts to copy-paste into Claude Code
- Human copy prompts into Claude Code
- The AI reads output from Claude Code
I'm hoping local llms start rapidly improving even more though.
codex W
https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...