We need tech news sources which exclude AI

139 points by botfriendsarent ↗ HN
Its now clear that we need to preserve tech press for non AI related things. Techmeme for example is now completely overrun with AI stories.

HN is getting closer to that every day.

If AI kickback deals, phony new model ratings, high RAM prices and your surprise at how you think you coded something with AI and it was AMAZING! even though it doesnt work is all there is count me out.

We need a filter on existing tech news sites or an alternative press.

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This topic is just naturally controversial — AI and the internet are so intertwined with it that there’s really no way to avoid the conversation.
I agree.

The worst part about it is like 80% of the conversation is motivated speech.

That's worse than the technology itself.

I think the problem is concentration. AI now absorbs almost all of the oxygen from every category. A story about new chips becomes an AI story. Cloud pricing becomes an AI story. Even personal projects get pulled into the same orbit.
we need entirely new communities where "contributors" all share a common understanding that they will not publish AI for other contributors to consume.

They can all individually create and consume AI outside of this community of course.

I've been coding professionally for over 30 years. LLMs have changed the profession more in the last 12 months than anything else has in all that 30 years.

I would totally understand your position if it was, say, crypto that you wanted to exclude. The whole of crypto finance is an edifice of scam built on some interesting but not very useful maths, and there's nothing to redeem it. There are no interesting tech discussions to be had there.

And sure, there are plenty of AI scam artists out there (most seem to have switched from Crypto experts to AI experts in the last couple of years).

But the underlying tech that is being used in AI is not only interesting, but also useful. I'm seeing people who have never coded before produce some cool apps. OK, they're not production-grade, but that's still new people doing new and interesting stuff with this tech. My own workflow is profoundly different from what it was a year ago. I've seen old problems that were really incredibly difficult to fix collapse completely using this tech. It's a useful tool if you're developing software. I suspect there are other areas of human endeavour where it will be useful too. I very much doubt it will replace all human work, or become sentient.

I think we need to separate out the AI business, which is its usual mess of scam, exaggeration, and buffoonery, and the actual AI tech, which is producing some really useful tools.

Look at /r/programming on reddit. They have explicit no AI policies.
I disagree. The problem, if I concede there is a problem , is not new or unique to AI but problematic to the internet -fake news, fake reviews, AstroTurfing, etc.

This is not an AI problem.

The internet is a bad place with lots of bad actors and no one says anything about malicious state actors who pollute the internet (they might be called xenophobic !)

AI merely is another tool for bad actors to be better bad actors, but that doesn't mean AI is the problem.

Honestly. I want the AI news. I wish HN would add filtering features. I know they want us to all see the same homepage, but it’s time to let us have our tables. Pro-AI-era should be able to have a cohort thread, and anti-AI should be able to avoid it, or have a ring fence for their anti-AI discussions.

We end up with some good threads on HN in both directions, but there’s a weight to early voices that can bend a posts’ comments pro or anti AI which isn’t necessarily reflective of the quality of said post.

Whether you are pro or anti, even the best articles that are about running AI, rather than AI internals, are content-free fluff.

Any articles about running AI are mostly talk about something that is not explained, not predictable, and constantly changing.

A good litmus test for post is: is something in it actionable. Can I retain these several pieces of information, walk away, and do something, and then obtain results like the article said?

Most AI articles are not like this, or even if they are, they have a short expiration date.

> I wish HN would add filtering features

Ask AI to filter them for you.

>We need a filter on existing tech news sites or an alternative press.

Great, now we need AI to exclude AI related news /s

As much as I hate to say it, you're ultimately burying your head in the sand.

It's not that AI is so great, but that we really are in a different era defined by creative constipation and politics.

What will unclog the jam is making something and sharing it. I don't think anyone cares if you use AI to create some of it as long as it's not slop or too derivative. Things will recover, but it will never be the same.

Just let OpenClaw to read the tech press for you! /s
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Absolutely agreed, but you will not find much support for this here. The site is completely VC/AI-pilled and anyone who doesn't like it has left by now.

95% of the frontpage is completely uninteresting to me at this point. AI press releases, basic posts on AI advances, and AI-generated slop. A sad fate for a once-great forum.