Burned out, how do I get out of the rut?
Hey HN,
I'm a fullstack (mainly frontend) dev based in Germany with 3.5 YOE. I recently got fired while on sick leave (burnout) and I'm now slowly recovering (therapy, sports, rebuilding sleep, the usual).
Also got diagnosed with autism + ADHD late in life, which explains... a lot in retrospect.
I'm not looking to jump back in tomorrow, but I'm trying to gauge the market realistically. A few specific questions for those who've been through something similar or are currently hiring:
1. How honest should I be about the burnout / being fired in interviews?
2. Has a late neurodivergent diagnosis helped or hurt anyone's career perspective?
3. Is the German market still open for mid-level devs, or are we in a serious freeze?
Any honest perspectives welcome - good or bad.
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[ 4.9 ms ] story [ 35.3 ms ] thread(2) I am skeptical about both Autism and ADHD and especially when they are claimed to occur together. See also borderline personality disorder and schizotypal personality disorder and other PD's.
I had a mental health crisis at 49 and was lucky, with help from my friends, that I wound up on my back foot rather than having a serious setback. The next year at the library a book practically jumped into my hands that explained just about everything that went weird in my life.
I spent most of the 2010s employed and unemployed trying to commercialize foundation models before the technology was ready and eventually wound up in a very ordinary fullstack job which is stable if not always exciting. Since I discovered what I am I gradually started to spread my wings and realize that people with my kind of nervous system in traditional societies have a talent for divination, magic and healing and I am finding my peeps in that domain.
(3) No idea, but it is not about other people, it is about you. Today's freeze will be tomorrow's hot market but it could take a while.
> I had a mental health crisis at 49 and was lucky, with help from my friends, that I wound up on my back foot rather than having a serious setback.
I’ve seen a lot of your posts on HN and you seem knowledgeable and give good advice, but c’mon, divination? magic? are you sure you’re all right now? I mean no disrespect, and I’m no shrink, but I’d guess you’re maybe not out of the woods yet. I’ve had a family member with issues, being somewhat detached from reality is never good.
The requirements for SDE have never been changed. The only changes are people’s expectations and more openings for AI services.
2. To be frank, an Autistic dev in Germany makes no news. Adhd may distract you a bit, but also push you to think out of the box. Just don't try to fit in other people's boxes, be yourself! Otherwisr that will burn you out quick.
3. Market is a bit closed, especially for frontends, but in EU we are not only driven by venture capitalists' money. It's not AI per se, it's uncertainty, protectionism, low interest rates, and the fact that AI is eating all investments for breakfast. But there still are companies doing actual work.
Hope this helps a bit for clarity! Much love and hope from an Italian in Belgium.
for 1. don't mention anything - people get fired everyday B. or quit jobs.
2. if you're in Europe & hell even the U.S that shouldn't affect you that much.
3. Job market is bonkers good luck.
For now, focus on yourself.
Today is my last day with said company. My mental health is worse even tho I have been seeing doctors and therapists for years at this point. Job market crushes you. They do not want you to be okay. They will take all they can and more abd leave you rotting and suffering. I'm fucking done with all this shit.
1. Own your space.
That's it. Don't let other people define you. What this means in practice:
* Don't take a job if you know its filled with stupid people. An an example I love writing JavaScript/TypeScript applications. I super love it, but I will never do it for work ever again. Most people who write that code for a living suck at what they do and are hostile/insecure about it. I would rather flip burgers than work at an adult day-care parenting the toddlers who are too incapable to use a ruler or write an email.
* Always achieve supervisor support. Know your boundaries and always support your boss because you expect them to support you. If your leadership sucks, or worse is toxic, you are in a bad situation. I would gladly take less pay to work with fantastic people. In my case I am in management and work with another manager. That other manager was toxic so I, as politely as possibly, told him to go fuck himself and immediately made my boss aware.
* Be ethical. If you are in management be a shining example for your people to follow. Never assign tasks to your people you are not willing to do yourself, even if its scrubbing shit out of blown up toilets. Never be a hypocrite. Always be aware of and care for the emotional needs of your people. The goal is to retain your people as best you can even through stressful projects.
* Do what makes sense. Most people, surprisingly, are incapable of this. Most people strive for what they perceive as externally validated solutions from peers they have never met. This is autistic bullshit that drives people to hate you. Instead, follow the evidence and save your team from other people's insanity.
Doing these, especially the first 2, are what pulled me out of my rut.