I see no declaration that this is a machine generated site, but the aesthetic is a dead giveaway. The language on the “how it works” page is unmistakably LLM output. As a total novice in engines this site had the potential to educate me, but did the author vet the data at all? If the author doesn’t bother telling me they checked any output on this, what assurance do I have anything is accurate on the site at all? If I knew an actual engineer put their focus on this tool I’d feel much better about trying to learn something from it. Short of that it’s just a pretty (but predictable) interface.
I'm a mechanical engineer who has written similar tools for work and hobbies. Producing pretty pictures does not mean that the model is physically accurate. Unfortunately, such tools seem be evaluated much more on flashiness and not on more reliable and objective criteria like physical accuracy based on verification and validation test suites. I'm seeing that in the comments here. I don't think LLMs make what I do irrelevant, but I have thought that I'm going to have to improve how flashy my simulations look to compete better with non-experts who use LLMs.
> I don't think LLMs make what I do irrelevant, but I have thought that I'm going to have to improve how flashy my simulations look to compete better with non-experts who use LLMs.
This scares me more than "LLMs replace humans". You're going to have to take away time from doing the actual work to replace it with doing bullshit work to impress an ever more detached "decision" layer.
I don't even think the posted page qualifies as a "simulation". It's at best an animation with a calculator/model side-by-side.
"For calibration: AI-generated design right now clusters around three looks: (1) a warm cream background (near #F4F1EA) with a high-contrast serif display and a terracotta accent; (2) a near-black background with a single bright acid-green or vermilion accent; (3) a broadsheet-style layout with hairline rules, zero border-radius, and dense newspaper-like columns."
I imagine such an engine would instantly blow itself apart in real life. Basically the simulated version of those tractor pull cars where the engine survives for about 500 rotations before it has to be rebuilt.
Depends on the displacement and other factors. Huge engines in that power range like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_710 are used in locomotives and other applications like power generation where they run 24/7 at 100% load.
How is it useful? I'm no expert in combustion engines, so I'd hesitate to rely on a slop graphic like this to learn about them as I doubt the creator has any idea about them either.
It's like a friend - he was like "Look at this awesome set of categorized interactive animations from claude to learn geometry!".
And like 60% of the animations were technically just wrong. Very pretty though, and the effects were cute... I guess...?
Where did I say what people are allowed to find entertaining?
It would be insane to tell someone what they should find entertaining, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
As for useful, I'm genuinely trying to understand HOW you find something useful that may or may not have zero accuracy to the thing in which it's portending to showcase?
When I don't know about something - I would find someone who's really knowledgeable (or a resource that's vetted), and learn from that obviously. I don't want to learn something completely unverified and made up? That makes no logical sense.
Just like my friend's slop graphics. I imagine learning geometry from that and fundamentally locking in incorrect knowledge when there are many thousands of resources that would teach me correctly - this makes no sense right? Would you prefer to learn from the pretty graphics that are teaching you nothing?
Here I will quote what I said to you - it's super explicit and obvious I'm asking how one would find it useful.
"How is it useful? I'm no expert in combustion engines, so I'd hesitate to rely on a slop graphic like this to learn about them as I doubt the creator has any idea about them either."
Notice I say "How is it useful?" and "I'd hesitate to rely on a slop graphic like this to learn".
I think I'm being very obvious about the fact that I can't understand how one would find it "useful" to "learn". Absolutely NOWHERE did I say you can't be entertained by it.
In principle you can instantaneously set the throttle opening to some position and set the RPM to whatever you want. In time the RPM will rise or fall until the engine is at equilibrium, but throttle position and RPM aren't like mechanically interlocked. Otherwise how could the engine speed up when you go down a hill?
When you press the gas pedal in your car down (which used to just be a cable to the throttle body), does your car instantaneously increase in speed to match the pedal position?
All you're doing is letting more air in - the RPM is a function of the power the engine generates; more fuel and air than is currently needed for the current load at the current speed = increasing RPMs.
If you put the clutch in, a little blip of the gas is all that's needed to get the RPM quite high very quickly. The moment there's load on there, the same blip will not do very much at all.
Imagine your vehicle is pulling a heavy load up a hill vs. going flat out on a track. Your throttle position may be the same but the RPMs are likely to be quite different, even when you account for the transmission.
If you're looking for a carefully crafted/written work to explain internal combustion engines, look no further than this one https://ciechanow.ski/internal-combustion-engine/ (the Mechanical Watch article from the same author was featured on HN a while ago).
So if I set the animation speed to 1:1 and set the RPM to 3000, that's what it would look like inside the engine when I'm ready to shift gears? Seems WAY faster than what I expected in real life
Calling this AI slop would be generous. If we made a list of the things wrong with it we would be here all day. Nothing has an effect on redline RPM, you can create compression and turbo combos that would instantly grenade an engine, the preset “super car” has 200hp?
The only thing it illustrates is the authors lack of understanding.
I fed the technical data of my motorcycle into the model and it told me right away that this build would destroy a real engine because the piston speed would be too great.
The real thing has been running for 56,000 miles, so it can't be that bad. *g
"Supercar" has 670hp 500lb-ft @ 5297rpm which seems reasonable. After configuring the tool with my car's specs, it was fairly close on the dyno; though, I'm very far from an expert. Imho, pretty cool, nonetheless.
Other engine simulators work by approximating the engine.
Ange's engine simulator works by approximating physics of air fluid dynamics through a combustion chamber and exhaust, sound propagation, etc and then putting an engine into that simulation.
Also, I love that it was open sourced. Although it sounds like from the GitHub page summary that there was some shenanigans involving a "certain very high profile game studio" that I'd love to hear more tea about.
He published it as open-source for like 5 seconds before taking the repository down in order to charge for it on Steam! I'm a little weirded out by that pattern of open-sourcing it and then just changing his mind.
I think what happened was that it became his full time job, and he started to need to be able to make money from it. At least, that's what I remember; I haven't seen much about it as of late.
I'm still just not really comfortable with the ethics of withdrawing source code that you previously published. There are tons and tons of things he could've simply kept to himself on top of his first release, but he chose to take back the entire release instead.
Like, he seemingly fully intended it for the public because it's cool and interesting and he wanted to show how it worked, but then he simply changed his mind and completely removed all of it? Makes me doubt he has the public interest in mind at all, because he could've still developed the Steam version and kept that version closed source, but he just decided to take back all his goodwill instead
Nice little project, I inputted the dimensions of a engine I've been building (b20-vtec) and it estimated 160whp which sounds low but I also can't set up my cams properly because it looks like this was designed for SOHC engines.
So i'll throw this out there. When I was a growing up back in the 50's (yeah, way back then) I was given a model of a v-8 engine to build. It was clear plastic, had pistons, crankshaft, valves, and little red lights for the spark plugs. Small battery powered motor (I think in the starter motor) made everything go round and rounds. One of the coolest models I ever built as a kid.
While fairly realistic in function, the Visible V8 is not a replica of a specific production engine, though it most resembles an early Cadillac or Studebaker V8.
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I don't even think the posted page qualifies as a "simulation". It's at best an animation with a calculator/model side-by-side.
It's so distinct... it can't be an amalgam of the most popular design choices, can it?
V Twin Bank, Turbocharged with Intercooler. And Fuel is Hydrogen!
It's like a friend - he was like "Look at this awesome set of categorized interactive animations from claude to learn geometry!".
And like 60% of the animations were technically just wrong. Very pretty though, and the effects were cute... I guess...?
especially after admitting you dont nkow anything about combustion engines?
As for useful, I'm genuinely trying to understand HOW you find something useful that may or may not have zero accuracy to the thing in which it's portending to showcase?
When I don't know about something - I would find someone who's really knowledgeable (or a resource that's vetted), and learn from that obviously. I don't want to learn something completely unverified and made up? That makes no logical sense.
Just like my friend's slop graphics. I imagine learning geometry from that and fundamentally locking in incorrect knowledge when there are many thousands of resources that would teach me correctly - this makes no sense right? Would you prefer to learn from the pretty graphics that are teaching you nothing?
thats what you wrre doing above read it again if it wasnt obvious
"How is it useful? I'm no expert in combustion engines, so I'd hesitate to rely on a slop graphic like this to learn about them as I doubt the creator has any idea about them either."
Notice I say "How is it useful?" and "I'd hesitate to rely on a slop graphic like this to learn".
I think I'm being very obvious about the fact that I can't understand how one would find it "useful" to "learn". Absolutely NOWHERE did I say you can't be entertained by it.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
All you're doing is letting more air in - the RPM is a function of the power the engine generates; more fuel and air than is currently needed for the current load at the current speed = increasing RPMs.
If you put the clutch in, a little blip of the gas is all that's needed to get the RPM quite high very quickly. The moment there's load on there, the same blip will not do very much at all.
Partly. Another factor in the equation is load.
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The only thing it illustrates is the authors lack of understanding.
The real thing has been running for 56,000 miles, so it can't be that bad. *g
He has a whole series on building out engine simulators of various types, and even published a Steam game for steam engine simulation.
His work is notable because he leans heavily into generating sound directly from the simulations.
https://www.youtube.com/@AngeTheGreat
Other engine simulators work by approximating the engine.
Ange's engine simulator works by approximating physics of air fluid dynamics through a combustion chamber and exhaust, sound propagation, etc and then putting an engine into that simulation.
It's incredible how productive and precise he is.
Also, I love that it was open sourced. Although it sounds like from the GitHub page summary that there was some shenanigans involving a "certain very high profile game studio" that I'd love to hear more tea about.
Like, he seemingly fully intended it for the public because it's cool and interesting and he wanted to show how it worked, but then he simply changed his mind and completely removed all of it? Makes me doubt he has the public interest in mind at all, because he could've still developed the Steam version and kept that version closed source, but he just decided to take back all his goodwill instead
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=bi6bLSCnjcY&si=r4atSKfsBEQ...
Makes audio too
Very cool either way.
...but that transmission definitely looks like the early 4-speed Hydramatic: http://www.1954advance-design.com/Hydra-Matic-rebuild/index....
... two pairs of V3 in a Bentley
There's also a build out there where someone did a "v12" vw beetle with a v6 for each axle.