Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :)
I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?
It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied tweaks for languages with easily confusable names. Many of the fluctuations in rankings - like the big dip in the ranking for C between 2015 and 2018 - probably have more to do with changes in search engine algorithms than any real change in popularity.
It wouldn't surprise me if I learned that the vast majority of programming globally is in languages like Visual Basic or PHP that are utterly unfashionable on a board like this, but still make the world go round.
It's a bit hard to comprehend that's reality to be honest.
But I could see that it could be the case from the fact that old industrial factories or old corporates would still run with what works for them.
The chart shows python really surged in popularity in the 2020s. I suppose the change is surge is from AI/ML really heating up for a few years, and is now starting to cool off.
Exactly! Often, it's that TIOBE doesn't count, if their favorite language is not doing well or goes down in the rankings. Then, if their language moves up in the rankings, it is time to shout from the rooftops to tell everyone to go look how well they're doing on TIOBE.
I wouldn't worry about that. Tiobe simply measures how many search queries are made for a programming language, and even that process is still inaccurate (e.g. because of ambiguity with other uses of the same terms). The figure says nothing about how widely the language in question is actually used. Experienced developers are unlikely to enter the terms used by Tiobe into a search engine, and since most people are now working with LLMs, this measurement method is obsolete anyway.
The funny or strange thing about people claiming Object Pascal is dead, is they have been doing so for at least the last 20 years. It got so crazy and reckless, that people were claiming the actor, Pedro Pascal, was dead too.
Yet, despite all this hoping for Pascal (the language) to die, Embarcadero keeps making money selling Delphi (dialect of Object Pascal). Not to mention, their being all kinds of various other dialects in use: Free Pascal, PascalABC.NET, Oxygene, Blaise (brand new compiler)[1], etc...
I'm specifically referring to Rust kicking Pascal out of the top ten, as per the article.
Don't forget Lazarus, bringing the rest of the capabilities of Delhi to the Free Pascal compiler, while also being self aware of the Pascal-is-dead joke.
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[ 4.5 ms ] story [ 24.7 ms ] threadI'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?
Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been.
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin...
It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied tweaks for languages with easily confusable names. Many of the fluctuations in rankings - like the big dip in the ranking for C between 2015 and 2018 - probably have more to do with changes in search engine algorithms than any real change in popularity.
This is usually considered a better ranking. This has Rust at #20.
Different rankings measure different things, so it depends on what and how people want to assess languages and usage.
Why? It's still there and gets even regular maintenance.
Yet, despite all this hoping for Pascal (the language) to die, Embarcadero keeps making money selling Delphi (dialect of Object Pascal). Not to mention, their being all kinds of various other dialects in use: Free Pascal, PascalABC.NET, Oxygene, Blaise (brand new compiler)[1], etc...
[1]: https://github.com/graemeg/blaise
Don't forget Lazarus, bringing the rest of the capabilities of Delhi to the Free Pascal compiler, while also being self aware of the Pascal-is-dead joke.