What does this strategy get them? Are they afraid of cannibalizing Fire sales? It would seem to me that this would be a short-sighted concern, given the number of Android owners out there that would happily pay for Instant Video (myself included).
I don't think the higher-ups at Amazon are slow in the head, so I assume they have some reason for this, but I can't think of it.
I agree. However, the Kindle Fire exists primarily to facilitate sales, including video sales. I don't understand why they are so passive aggressive towards Android users who do not buy the Kindle Fire, but want to rent videos. Honestly, as an Amazon prime subscriber, this dismissive Android treatment diminishes the value of Amazon's ecosystem for me.
Because on a Nexus 7, you might also go to the Google Play store to buy books, music, or videos. But Amazon has removed that from the Kindle Fire.
That is the madness of which I speak. Because they are afraid that if I don't use the Kindle Fire I won't buy videos, they therefore won't let me buy videos unless I use the Kindle Fire. It seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me. That same logic would call for them to not have a Kindle app on the Nexus 7, would it not?
Well, most people don't know/realize all this stuff. Even a lot of the people on HN don't realize that you can get almost all of Amazon apps on non-Amazon tablets until you explicitly point it out to them.
Like I said before, the Kindle Fire gets a lot of exposure due to its prominent position on Amazon's home page. This makes it much more likely that they'll get a lot of sales from consumers who don't really do much research. This is especially true during the holiday season - you don't do nearly as much research when buying something for somebody else as you do when buying something for yourself.
Even then, like you said, there's a certain lack of logicality in Amazon's decisions. Then again, they haven't been in the mobile device market (as an OEM) for too long, so it's not entirely impossible that some MBA came up with this harebrained scheme for driving sales of content from Amazon's digital stores and got it past Bezos.
Actually, there is a good chance that this is temporary.
I imagine they took some base stable version of android, and built their services platform on top of that. They have their own ridiculously huge Web Services platform that they want to provide that at a system service level to application developers.
To do this quickly, they had to throw out a lot of hardware support both at the system level for things like gyros, hardware buttons, GPS, etc (all the things the iPad and Google Tablets have), to be able to undercut the manufacturing price to an attractive retail market value.
There is a good chance their video streaming leverages system services built off an increasingly "Amazon" branch of early stripped down Android code.
Once they have their platform, they can focus on rolling back in the hardware and services to support a larger eco-system.
Ultimately, I think they are trying to enable a hub to provide all of their web technology through a mobile device. They've chosen android to safe themselves a lot of time plus they aren't OS guys.
Now they are the awkward cousin that doesn't have a fully realized value proposition and is semi-cross functional with other devices and more enhanced platform.
In fact, developing for Kindle Fire would probably feel a lot like porting an Android app (that was originally written for iOS in Objective C) and designing around the current hardware peripheral limitations (and the fact that "Google" intents would be completely ignored).
What they could be betting on is the shear technical force of their infrastructure and web services. If they can bring high-quality content to their users consistently, people will feel the comfort of Amazon more than other eco-systems.
This puts Amazon in a weird position because they are competing with Google more than Apple, really. Especially since they chose Android. Google expected making and distributing Android would increase the gravity to their platform, but its totally possible they understimated Jeff Bezos and his ability to leverage it.
I've seen an APK for Amazon Instant Videos floating around the XDA forums. It's too buggy to be truly usable on anything but a Kindle Fire but it's definitely a stand-alone app. If you've rooted your Fire, you'll see it sits in your app drawer like any other app.
Having both, I find that the Kindle Fire HD's speakers and feel in the hand are also a bit nicer.
That said, the horrible app store and out of date android build get old. More than half of my apps on it are APKs I got from the support staff of the various companies and have to manually update. Since the Google Play store also won't let you just download the APK or run on the Kindle Fire (two play at that exclusivity game!).
Does Amazon even really want to sell the Kindle Fire? Bezos admitted that they make little to nothing on the hardware sales. It's just a window into their ecosystem; one that I'd be happy to patronize if it were completely platform agnostic.
If I had to guess, licensing. I imagine studios see AirPlay (legitimately or not) as a DRM backdoor by letting the stream out of the app; and thus don't allow it. Note HBO Go and Netflix apps don't allow it either.
I believe HBO's reason is that they're not using MPMoviePlayerController (the default video player). It looks like the native one, but I remember seeing jaggies around the icons after upgrading to the iPad Retina.
If I had to guess, it would be that they have some sort of proprietary DRM going on and have their own player for it.
In the past I've worked on a number of mobile projects for very large organizations (e.g., major sports organizations) that have restricted certain video streams based on the screen size of the device.
In most of these cases, it was due to contracts that were made 5-10+ years ago that gave some company the exclusive rights to their video on various size screens (e.g., 'screens less than 5" diagonally'), or even TV/'Not TV'. Sometimes it was even split up between companies across 3 or 4 different ranges of screen sizes.
In some cases, we had to build the apps to use Company A video streams on iPhones, and Company B streams on iPads. To make things worse (at least for the consumer), sometimes the app was allowed to AirPlay from the iPad but not from the iPhone, or even not at all, because of these contracts.
"Is Amazon Instant Video available on Apple devices outside of the United States?
No, Amazon Instant Video on Apple devices is currently available only in the 50 US states and District of Columbia."
The same goes with the different app stores by country... I understand the bureocratic hardships, but it's hard to believe that in the age of globalization we can't have such services at global level.
Without Airplay this is mostly worthless to me. I just don't sit down and watch movies on my phone. I'd like to stop using my xbox (and paying for xbox live) for amazon+netflix+hulu, but apple tv doesn't have all of them yet. I should probably get a roku, but i'd like to also get airplay in addition to the above 3. :-(
We bought a Vizio 42 inch on sale last year for about $300, and it plays everything we've ever needed - Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, Hulu, YouTube, Pandora. It's definitely more expensive than a Roku, but did the trick.
Come to think of it, the Samsung Blu-Ray player we bought the year before also plays all of those services, too.
Both devices have been great - wireless support and smooth interfaces.
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[ 3.4 ms ] story [ 79.3 ms ] threadWhat does this strategy get them? Are they afraid of cannibalizing Fire sales? It would seem to me that this would be a short-sighted concern, given the number of Android owners out there that would happily pay for Instant Video (myself included).
I don't think the higher-ups at Amazon are slow in the head, so I assume they have some reason for this, but I can't think of it.
Because on a Nexus 7, you might also go to the Google Play store to buy books, music, or videos. But Amazon has removed that from the Kindle Fire.
That is the madness of which I speak. Because they are afraid that if I don't use the Kindle Fire I won't buy videos, they therefore won't let me buy videos unless I use the Kindle Fire. It seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me. That same logic would call for them to not have a Kindle app on the Nexus 7, would it not?
Like I said before, the Kindle Fire gets a lot of exposure due to its prominent position on Amazon's home page. This makes it much more likely that they'll get a lot of sales from consumers who don't really do much research. This is especially true during the holiday season - you don't do nearly as much research when buying something for somebody else as you do when buying something for yourself.
Even then, like you said, there's a certain lack of logicality in Amazon's decisions. Then again, they haven't been in the mobile device market (as an OEM) for too long, so it's not entirely impossible that some MBA came up with this harebrained scheme for driving sales of content from Amazon's digital stores and got it past Bezos.
I imagine they took some base stable version of android, and built their services platform on top of that. They have their own ridiculously huge Web Services platform that they want to provide that at a system service level to application developers.
To do this quickly, they had to throw out a lot of hardware support both at the system level for things like gyros, hardware buttons, GPS, etc (all the things the iPad and Google Tablets have), to be able to undercut the manufacturing price to an attractive retail market value.
There is a good chance their video streaming leverages system services built off an increasingly "Amazon" branch of early stripped down Android code.
Once they have their platform, they can focus on rolling back in the hardware and services to support a larger eco-system.
Ultimately, I think they are trying to enable a hub to provide all of their web technology through a mobile device. They've chosen android to safe themselves a lot of time plus they aren't OS guys.
Now they are the awkward cousin that doesn't have a fully realized value proposition and is semi-cross functional with other devices and more enhanced platform.
In fact, developing for Kindle Fire would probably feel a lot like porting an Android app (that was originally written for iOS in Objective C) and designing around the current hardware peripheral limitations (and the fact that "Google" intents would be completely ignored).
What they could be betting on is the shear technical force of their infrastructure and web services. If they can bring high-quality content to their users consistently, people will feel the comfort of Amazon more than other eco-systems.
This puts Amazon in a weird position because they are competing with Google more than Apple, really. Especially since they chose Android. Google expected making and distributing Android would increase the gravity to their platform, but its totally possible they understimated Jeff Bezos and his ability to leverage it.
That said, the horrible app store and out of date android build get old. More than half of my apps on it are APKs I got from the support staff of the various companies and have to manually update. Since the Google Play store also won't let you just download the APK or run on the Kindle Fire (two play at that exclusivity game!).
You're quite possibly right though. The 4oD app (British TV channel's streaming service) also blocks Airplay for licensing reasons.
If I had to guess, it would be that they have some sort of proprietary DRM going on and have their own player for it.
In most of these cases, it was due to contracts that were made 5-10+ years ago that gave some company the exclusive rights to their video on various size screens (e.g., 'screens less than 5" diagonally'), or even TV/'Not TV'. Sometimes it was even split up between companies across 3 or 4 different ranges of screen sizes.
In some cases, we had to build the apps to use Company A video streams on iPhones, and Company B streams on iPads. To make things worse (at least for the consumer), sometimes the app was allowed to AirPlay from the iPad but not from the iPhone, or even not at all, because of these contracts.
As others have commented, it's a licensing issue.
One workaround is loading the Amazon Video Player in Safari on a Mac, then mirroring the display on AppleTV. Looks best in full screen mode.
"Is Amazon Instant Video available on Apple devices outside of the United States?
No, Amazon Instant Video on Apple devices is currently available only in the 50 US states and District of Columbia."
The same goes with the different app stores by country... I understand the bureocratic hardships, but it's hard to believe that in the age of globalization we can't have such services at global level.
Come to think of it, the Samsung Blu-Ray player we bought the year before also plays all of those services, too.
Both devices have been great - wireless support and smooth interfaces.