If this is doing better waterpik + toothbrush and perhaps has a long guarantee and leaves you with a 2x normal feeling every morning, I could see the appeal. I dropped $60 on Waterpic and it broke. So then I got a better Waterpik for $100+ but it was clunky unit with bigger water container that didn't fit in my small bathroom. And it broke. But I do like the feeling of electric toothbrush.
an ultrasonic scaler is far better at removing plaque and build up than a waterpik. I find that a waterpik is only really best at areas where there is high crowding, or hard to reach areas behind molars, etc.
But dental scalers don't offer the advantages water flossers do for gums, do they? Plus, from whet I've read online, it seems that these devices need to be used after brushing, as opposed to water flossers which are used before brushing. And for dislodging food (especially with braces), water flossers remain the best tool.
I use my scaler before brushing and I use it for getting off certain things that bother me. It beats going to the dentist for some chronic issues I may deal with. I would say it should be used in conjunction with a waterpik as it would be far too abrasive/damaging toward the gums, for sure.
I haven't yet tried the units from Amazon where you connect the Waterpik to the faucet, but perhaps they could be good -- for me the problem has always been how small the water container was.
True that, but generally electric toothbrushes come in at what around 40-60 bucks right now? If i spend the weekend with the guys I would be impressed with the camera toothbrush though
cheap ones are in that range; the most expensive ones around $350/$400. I paid ~£200 for one about a year ago, which is ~$270 USD including sales tax. The top end takes the piss, but if you want certain features - particularly several in combination - its what they've segmented the market to.
Problem is there are no good cameras for the OnlyFans subscribers that have a teeth and gums fetish. 4K is the solution that takes them deep inside. /s
I wonder what stack they're using to stream live video from the toothbrush to the phone. I wonder whether the camera can still be activated when the toothbrush is sitting on your bathroom sink countertop, pointed at your shower.
lol, nice to see some engineering company building outlandish product. Not everything needs mass appeal, this is not for me but maybe some one finds this interesting
> It might be that I didn’t maintain it properly and the water reservoir was building up bio film over period of time and actively distributing bacterial to my gums.
Not in any way knowledgeable on Dental Hygiene, so take this for layman's advice from someone who has used a water flosser for half a decade to positive effect: To anyone reading, please read the instructions in terms of proper usage, how to place it, etc., don't go full blast in the first few weeks and absolutely clean it according to the instructions. At least always empty the water fully and dry it out with the reservoir opened.
Not saying this is what caused your negative experience, mind you. Again, Dental is not my field, though am a med student (Dentists, feel free to correct me if anything I wrote is wrong), but from my understanding and reading, some peoples gums are simply not suited to water flossers, even with proper cleaning and application.
My mum used to be a professional cleaner and she would often explain to people there's a reason professionals never use Dysons.
That's not to say it's a bad product, but I've had my Henry vacuum for decades, and in that time it's been kicked down the stairs and used vacuum up all kinds of stuff it probably wasn't design for, but it's still just as good as the day I got it.
I bought a Dyson vacuum, or rather I was given one as a gift from my wife after she saw a joke twitter post about a man being happier about a new vacuum than the birth of his own kids. She gave it to me on Christmas Eve because I was about to vacuum the entire house with our old vacuum - which was also a fantastic vacuum, for the record.
My feedback:
1. It works great. I had to empty it several times because it was picking up so much more stuff than our existing vacuum did - mostly pet hair and the like.
2. It's the one with the little laser thing, which is a dumb little gimmick until you see it in action and then it's life-changing - if you're like me and find satisfaction in picking up every invisible crumb anywhere.
3. After a year and a bit, maybe less, it started misbehaving. It would suddenly turn off, then you'd have to let go of the trigger and pull it again; then it would work fine. Then it would happen a few times until it worked fine. Then it almost never worked fine. I kind of tolerated it for a while until I got fed up and googled the problem, and it was suggested to buy a new housing - the electronics plus the motor, basically the whole 'vacuum' part of the vacuum, which was only just over a hundred dollars direct from Dyson. Irritating to have to spend an extra hundred bucks to get my five hundred dollar vacuum working as expectred, but expected it to cost far more.
Would I recommend it? Not sure. It's very expensive, it works very well; it has a nice wall mount that charges it and which holds a small subset of the attachments it comes with. I'm glad I have it and I use it often.
Yes, it's plastic, but if it were, for example, steel or aluminium then it would be too heavy to use for any length of time. As it is, it feels very sturdy and has held up physically very well, but I'm obviously also not rough with it so there's no reason it would have any issues unless it were, in fact, cheaply or poorly made.
> After a year and a bit, maybe less, it started misbehaving. It would suddenly turn off, then you'd have to let go of the trigger and pull it again; then it would work fine
This sounds like the behavior when you don't clean out the filter, which is separate from emptying the dustbin.
The trigger has a deliberate defect where it has the least possible amount of material right at the weakest most leveraged part.
It's a cheap part to replace. It also means a complete disassembly! A lot of it isn't hard but there are some wires that have to snake around, and popping out certain things requires some scary use of force. It took like 3 hours to do for mine.
Also these things don't seem to be great at battery maintenance. I forget how long that took me but it didn't leave any scars, I think it was easy. Just, more expensive. Less so now that batteries are cheaper. But I have my suspicion that their float charge mode is maybe not good & injured batteries. I specifically avoided that but still had issues.
The trigger really made me mad when I finally dug it out of mine. It was such a blatantly obviously designed-to-fail system. It really makes me super distrust this company.
I wish I could be that happy. I have two V8s and both of them are prone to becoming stinky. Changing out the filters doesn't help, and dismantling and cleaning out the interior does make it better ... for a time. Then the smell comes back.
But for a cordless stick vacuum I do like the basic design. For real vacuuming I choose my Sebo E3 every time, but it's not nearly as quick to use as a cordless stick.
One of the best things you can do for a Dyson stick vacuum, in my humble opinion, is get an adapter so you can use something like a Milwaukee tool battery.
I never really thought much of any vacuum I’ve ever own until I got a shark one. It picks everything, to the point where you have to be extra careful you don’t vacuum over things you don’t want to be sucked up into the vacuum. It makes total sense, who needs such powerful suction when you can instead just put a roller on the floor to pick things up. Never going back to a suction-only vacuum.
I had the plastic trigger fail on mine. Took the whole thing apart and replaced it with a metal trigger from AliExpress. It’s been going strong since.
I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist, but if I was a product engineer looking for a way to make my well-engineered product fail just after the warranty period was up, that trigger failure looked like a pretty good candidate. There was a specific piece of the plastic that looked like it was ostensibly there as a structural reinforcement, but it was clearly too short, and the trigger had cracked just past it.
I had a dc03 animal for over 10 years, kept replacing bits.. this year replaced it with the modern equivalent as I didn't want a battery powered one.
The new one just feels sort of flimsy in all sorts of ways, definite buyers remorse, the old one just felt indestructible + really powerful, this seems a bit crap.
I was given a V6 and I bought an adapter that lets me use my dewalt batteries with the vacuum. Kind of a cool party trick but I think they were like $600 new which is bonkers.
Rubbish. All vacuums are plastic and Dysons actually use quite high quality plastic.
When I worked there they were always really worried about Shark, because apparently they have better pick-up benchmark scores. I bought one recently. Absolute trash. It has some bullshit automatic power control thing that is on by default but just varies the power completely randomly. So every time you turn it on it takes about 5 seconds - on, low power, high power finally. Vs the Dyson where you just pull a trigger.
Never again. Dysons are the best. Very expensive, but just buy the older models or refurbished.
Also don't bother with the hair drier or the cold fans. Not worth the price. The hot fans might be I guess.
Had a Miele about 30 years ago and it was very good. It died when someone tried to hoover up a spilt glass of water and the motor was going to cost as much as a new cleaner.
We've had a couple of Dysons. They are great; they clean very well, the variety of tools is great, and the connectors for the tubes & tools is easy and very secure. Mine were all mains powered.
Downsides to the Dyson is it needed emptying very often and that could also be quite messy. Possibly a combination being good at sucking up, and a comparatively small hopper/"bag". I stripped it down once as it seemed to be struggling to clean as well, the cyclone/jet engine was full of "dust" and some of it was caked on but after a good clean was as good as new.
Now got a Henry. The bag hardly ever needs changing, the cable is very long, and the tube is long. I don't think it picks up as well as the Dyson and the tools are fiddlier to use as they are all just push fit and also don't feel as good quality.
Yes Henry is very robust, can be easily repaired/maintained, and they just work; that is probably why they are used commercially and so well loved. I don't think it cleans anything like as well as the Dyson though.
It feels cheap plastic, true, but it's also light and resists a lot of damage.
Mine v10 has 6 years, has seen some important falls, but bears no damage of any of those.
I wouldn't recommend it because price/quality Dyson vacuums feel like you're insanely over paying.
I've bought my grandma a 150$ Levoit LVAC-200-WEU, and I have used it a lot. I swear it lasts more than the v10 and it cleans better. It also feels much higher quality to touch.
It's cons are that it didn't come with a narrow tip to suck odd corners and that it's slightly heavier than the v10. But it costs also less than half and I see no victory at all for the Dyson product.
On the same topic, it's been a while since I have tried to find the best product to treat canker sores, but I have never found anything better than solutions composed of carboxylic/mineral acid and alcohol, and even then, it hardly suppresses the pain and I have found the treatment time to be about the same whether I apply something or not. The dream would be to have something that make them disappear near instantly.
I suffered from incredibly painful month+ long lasting chronic canker sores (technically apthous ulcers) for the first 3 decades of my life.
Doctors and dentists suggested all the usual triggers (avoid SLS, supplement with B vitamins, etc)
Then one day someone mentioned the connection of NSAIDs and ulcers, and I instantly realized mouth ulcers are.. ulcers...
I used to use ibuprofen occasionally, often enough to not correlate it to canker sores. Of course then I’d use more ibuprofen for that pain, get more canker sores, and be miserable for months.
Haven’t bought ibuprofen for 10 years now and they just stopped. I have used ibuprofen on a couple occasions since I learned this and both times I developed a canker sore. IANAD, YMMV, I’m just happy they’re gone
This is the gold standard of how to properly apply AI to an existing product like a toothbrush, with significant engineering quality that actually makes it better.
$500 + $15/replacement head. That’s assuming you can even get them. Right now they are out of stock, and my bet is these will never be something you can just pick up at the grocery store.
Any time I’ve bought something with frequently out of stock consumables, it’s been a mistake. It quickly falls out of favor.
I laughed out loud when I read the title, but the more I read about it, it actually sounds really cool. I know that is just their advertising and marketing jargon that is doing this but it does sound awesome... definitely not 500$ worth of awesome though
Dyson CameraJet™ is clinically proven to be more effective in improving gum health by removing and preventing plaque buildup.² Vs a manual tooth brush. "
So they didn't dare compare it against a 20 EUR Braun Oral B?
My dentist uses AI for X-ray analysis. I wish I remembered the name but the monitor was facing me and it was obvious. They also use some sort of fancy imaging tool that they run around my mouth to create a 3d image.
My impression is they're actually way overpriced relative to their quality/value, and get away with it due to effective marketing and aesthetic design.
To be fair, I've never owned a Dyson product, but have used them, and they just seem meh at best.
Just really surprised to see a Dyson announcement get upvotes on HN.
I have a Dyson SV22 v15. It was expensive and it doesn't have enough suction for carpets (we have a plug-in for that) but it's much easier to use and everyone in the house prefers it. It doesn't feel particularly high quality and it's possible I could have gotten a shark or similar for much less, but my roommate who moved in with a shark used my vacuum instead so make of that what you will. But after four years of constant use it's never needed a repair and seems to work about as well as when we got it (as long as you clear it out like any other vacuum).
Dyson was good for some products in the 1990s. Their quality has fallen in recent years, and other companies have caught up with them in other regards such as vacuum cleaners.
Curious how much replacement heads will cost if they're going to stick an RFID in every single one. Surely there's a cheaper solution to track when you switched heads.
Water flossers with handheld tanks are already unwieldy. I can't imagine using one with the head vibrating, water coming out of my mouth, and I'm trying to view the inside of my mouth in an app. Replaceable battery though. $20 Sonicare can't do that!
Surprisingly, $30 for two replacement heads is comparable to other electric toothbrushes (not counting third-party bulk knockoff replacements, which I have been using for years without issue). The RFID reader might force you to buy the official replacements, though.
The Oral-B Genius X with A.I. Rechargeable Toothbrush will transform the way you brush for healthier gums and stronger teeth for life*. The dentist-inspired round brush head surrounds each tooth to remove more plaque along the gumline vs a regular manual toothbrush.
Dyson seem to be the champion of turning a cheap effective device that's well understood into the same device but an order of magnitude more expensive. Are people still buying it?
And if you wait a few months, you will find several other alternatives in the market at a more reasonable price. I learned not to jump on the Dyson bandwagon with their vacuum cleaners.
My wife, upon seeing the pictures of this ridiculous contraption I gleefully waved in her face, described it as "a Sonicare on a steampunk bender", so arguably there are already pretty good options.,
A purchasing decision for households: buy a $500 vacuum or a $500 toothbrush. Dyson competing with itself for limited consumer discretionary income on luxury purchases.
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[ 0.29 ms ] story [ 62.3 ms ] threadNot in any way knowledgeable on Dental Hygiene, so take this for layman's advice from someone who has used a water flosser for half a decade to positive effect: To anyone reading, please read the instructions in terms of proper usage, how to place it, etc., don't go full blast in the first few weeks and absolutely clean it according to the instructions. At least always empty the water fully and dry it out with the reservoir opened.
Not saying this is what caused your negative experience, mind you. Again, Dental is not my field, though am a med student (Dentists, feel free to correct me if anything I wrote is wrong), but from my understanding and reading, some peoples gums are simply not suited to water flossers, even with proper cleaning and application.
That's not to say it's a bad product, but I've had my Henry vacuum for decades, and in that time it's been kicked down the stairs and used vacuum up all kinds of stuff it probably wasn't design for, but it's still just as good as the day I got it.
My feedback:
1. It works great. I had to empty it several times because it was picking up so much more stuff than our existing vacuum did - mostly pet hair and the like.
2. It's the one with the little laser thing, which is a dumb little gimmick until you see it in action and then it's life-changing - if you're like me and find satisfaction in picking up every invisible crumb anywhere.
3. After a year and a bit, maybe less, it started misbehaving. It would suddenly turn off, then you'd have to let go of the trigger and pull it again; then it would work fine. Then it would happen a few times until it worked fine. Then it almost never worked fine. I kind of tolerated it for a while until I got fed up and googled the problem, and it was suggested to buy a new housing - the electronics plus the motor, basically the whole 'vacuum' part of the vacuum, which was only just over a hundred dollars direct from Dyson. Irritating to have to spend an extra hundred bucks to get my five hundred dollar vacuum working as expectred, but expected it to cost far more.
Would I recommend it? Not sure. It's very expensive, it works very well; it has a nice wall mount that charges it and which holds a small subset of the attachments it comes with. I'm glad I have it and I use it often.
Yes, it's plastic, but if it were, for example, steel or aluminium then it would be too heavy to use for any length of time. As it is, it feels very sturdy and has held up physically very well, but I'm obviously also not rough with it so there's no reason it would have any issues unless it were, in fact, cheaply or poorly made.
This sounds like the behavior when you don't clean out the filter, which is separate from emptying the dustbin.
I inherited a Dyson due to this exact problem.
It's a cheap part to replace. It also means a complete disassembly! A lot of it isn't hard but there are some wires that have to snake around, and popping out certain things requires some scary use of force. It took like 3 hours to do for mine.
Also these things don't seem to be great at battery maintenance. I forget how long that took me but it didn't leave any scars, I think it was easy. Just, more expensive. Less so now that batteries are cheaper. But I have my suspicion that their float charge mode is maybe not good & injured batteries. I specifically avoided that but still had issues.
The trigger really made me mad when I finally dug it out of mine. It was such a blatantly obviously designed-to-fail system. It really makes me super distrust this company.
But for a cordless stick vacuum I do like the basic design. For real vacuuming I choose my Sebo E3 every time, but it's not nearly as quick to use as a cordless stick.
One of the best things you can do for a Dyson stick vacuum, in my humble opinion, is get an adapter so you can use something like a Milwaukee tool battery.
I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist, but if I was a product engineer looking for a way to make my well-engineered product fail just after the warranty period was up, that trigger failure looked like a pretty good candidate. There was a specific piece of the plastic that looked like it was ostensibly there as a structural reinforcement, but it was clearly too short, and the trigger had cracked just past it.
ifixit guide for the curious: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dyson+V11+Trigger+Replacement/1...
The new one just feels sort of flimsy in all sorts of ways, definite buyers remorse, the old one just felt indestructible + really powerful, this seems a bit crap.
When I worked there they were always really worried about Shark, because apparently they have better pick-up benchmark scores. I bought one recently. Absolute trash. It has some bullshit automatic power control thing that is on by default but just varies the power completely randomly. So every time you turn it on it takes about 5 seconds - on, low power, high power finally. Vs the Dyson where you just pull a trigger.
Never again. Dysons are the best. Very expensive, but just buy the older models or refurbished.
Also don't bother with the hair drier or the cold fans. Not worth the price. The hot fans might be I guess.
Had a Miele about 30 years ago and it was very good. It died when someone tried to hoover up a spilt glass of water and the motor was going to cost as much as a new cleaner.
We've had a couple of Dysons. They are great; they clean very well, the variety of tools is great, and the connectors for the tubes & tools is easy and very secure. Mine were all mains powered.
Downsides to the Dyson is it needed emptying very often and that could also be quite messy. Possibly a combination being good at sucking up, and a comparatively small hopper/"bag". I stripped it down once as it seemed to be struggling to clean as well, the cyclone/jet engine was full of "dust" and some of it was caked on but after a good clean was as good as new.
Now got a Henry. The bag hardly ever needs changing, the cable is very long, and the tube is long. I don't think it picks up as well as the Dyson and the tools are fiddlier to use as they are all just push fit and also don't feel as good quality.
Yes Henry is very robust, can be easily repaired/maintained, and they just work; that is probably why they are used commercially and so well loved. I don't think it cleans anything like as well as the Dyson though.
Mine v10 has 6 years, has seen some important falls, but bears no damage of any of those.
I wouldn't recommend it because price/quality Dyson vacuums feel like you're insanely over paying.
I've bought my grandma a 150$ Levoit LVAC-200-WEU, and I have used it a lot. I swear it lasts more than the v10 and it cleans better. It also feels much higher quality to touch.
It's cons are that it didn't come with a narrow tip to suck odd corners and that it's slightly heavier than the v10. But it costs also less than half and I see no victory at all for the Dyson product.
4k resolution mouth camera?? That's why we go to a dentist every 6 months because I wouldnt know wtf im looking at.
"Oh there's that canker sore I feel. Huh, at least I can see it"
Bruh, you don't need a camera for gap detection. Just stick an IR sensor, detect change in light. Boom, $0.05.
On paper it looks like a solid application of vision models.
It's a bit hard to find toothpastes without it that aren't also fluoride free, but they exist.
I suffered from incredibly painful month+ long lasting chronic canker sores (technically apthous ulcers) for the first 3 decades of my life.
Doctors and dentists suggested all the usual triggers (avoid SLS, supplement with B vitamins, etc)
Then one day someone mentioned the connection of NSAIDs and ulcers, and I instantly realized mouth ulcers are.. ulcers...
I used to use ibuprofen occasionally, often enough to not correlate it to canker sores. Of course then I’d use more ibuprofen for that pain, get more canker sores, and be miserable for months.
Haven’t bought ibuprofen for 10 years now and they just stopped. I have used ibuprofen on a couple occasions since I learned this and both times I developed a canker sore. IANAD, YMMV, I’m just happy they’re gone
I would be disinclined to use it. It reminds me of the Astral Codex Ten Article about the Midjouney Scanner https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/preliminary-thoughts-on-the... , as well as those who've had problems with AirPods. https://discussions.apple.com/verify-human/verify.html?next=... (42 pages) What sounds the most amazing in a press release is often not the most medically sound.
That is what I call not "slop".
But I find myself a bit skeptical. Would love to see some long-term third party testing on it.
Any time I’ve bought something with frequently out of stock consumables, it’s been a mistake. It quickly falls out of favor.
Putting the word "camera" in the name seems pretty dumb, but who knows? Maybe I'm the dumb one.
Dyson CameraJet™ is clinically proven to be more effective in improving gum health by removing and preventing plaque buildup.² Vs a manual tooth brush. "
So they didn't dare compare it against a 20 EUR Braun Oral B?
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iterative_closest_point
My impression is they're actually way overpriced relative to their quality/value, and get away with it due to effective marketing and aesthetic design.
To be fair, I've never owned a Dyson product, but have used them, and they just seem meh at best.
Just really surprised to see a Dyson announcement get upvotes on HN.
https://youtu.be/-0S3Jf-NxdI?si=hpyEcQUzguDDQaQ6
Surprisingly, $30 for two replacement heads is comparable to other electric toothbrushes (not counting third-party bulk knockoff replacements, which I have been using for years without issue). The RFID reader might force you to buy the official replacements, though.
The Oral-B Genius X with A.I. Rechargeable Toothbrush will transform the way you brush for healthier gums and stronger teeth for life*. The dentist-inspired round brush head surrounds each tooth to remove more plaque along the gumline vs a regular manual toothbrush.