TLDR: The "Cornucopia" has the least amount of splashback, however the "Nautilus" is the recommendation of choice, to accommodate ease of cleaning and variations in the height of the user.
At home? 100%. Out in the world? Very much depends.
I was just in a stall where the inside of door had a pictogram forbidding users from standing on the edge of the bowl and squatting. I assume this might be for visitors from countries where squatting is common.
Point being, you just never know what random members of the public will do with a door to hide behind.
The recent introduction, in the UK at least, of splash-back reducing urinal … mats (?) has basically solved the problem in my opinion. They’re a disposable (but not single use…) plastic freshening insert with loads of short rubber strands, closely packed.
You can pee on one of these mats and the stream almost aerates itself on impact and you get basically no splashback, I guess with a similar mechanism to how an aerating tap produces a stream of water that doesn’t splash off whatever it hits.
The worst urinal which I used was in Brussels about 15 years ago, and with that "splash-back reducing" mat. And it covered every part of the inner wall of the urinal. The mat caused the exact opposite of what it was supposed to do. It made it worse, and I had to wash my shorts, because it started to smell disgusting the next day.
Yes this is the best solution I've seen. And every male pretty quickly figures out that the angle of the stream greatly affects splashback. Seems rather wasteful to spend money on this study for a solved/non-problem.
And those, when they have a target on them (like football theme often seen in pubs in Europe) kinda combine the igNobel prize with the "Nobel" [0] prize on nudge !
[0] not a nobel prize but the prize of the swedish bank in memory of ...
In my cleaning and maintenance work I'd replaced a lot of these. The orange ones I'm familiar with have a decently nice scent.
But last week I went to use my new shampoo and it had the same scent. On its own it would be nice enough but all I could smell was piss. Then I forgot and tried the same shampoo again a few days later to the same effect!
not so long ago it was very fashionable to include DEI/ESG/etc lip service in those things, regardless of whether it made sense. for example, I've read a study comparing leather tanning compounds and it had a completely out of place paragraph babbling about climate change. the author wasn't even American, it's a global cargo cult.
There was a trend for a while for waterless/flushless urinals to save water. Though I would guess those have higher cleaning costs so not sure how that worked out in the end.
I love that La Fontaine is named in tribute to Marcel Duchamp[0], even if calling a splash-free urinal a fountain would seem a bit confusing on the surface.
Global sustainability and accessibility seems a bit grandiose lol. It’s just a urinal after all. That being said, it’s been 4 years since Waterloo first determined this and it’s still unavailable to purchase. I’ve been patiently waiting for one to install in my shop but it seems like it’s not all that important for the globe if it’s still unavailable 4 years later.
I would love to see some Nautilus style urinals because--as a self-interested adult--splashback also hits me if the angle is bad enough. Sometimes I even use the stalls to avoid those porcelain tricksters entirely.
Things we take for granted, like washing hands, were pivotal in reducing illness in hospitals.
If 50% of the population walk out of a public bathroom without tracking urine on their feet or anything else that touched the floor and custodians have 99% less bodily fluids to deal with, that seems like positive progress. Maybe it will move the needle in ways that are unexpected.
Yep. The next step is getting people to bother aiming for the urinal and hanging their member above it while shaking off any last drops. Till then, I don't think this design survives a collision with the real world.
There are a lot of reasons why something could get picked up, and sustainability is very low on the list. The manufacturers don't care; they get paid the same regardless of the amount of splashback. Most businesses won't care unless it significantly reduces maintenance overhead, and that's only going to happen if splashed urine is the determining factor in how frequently a bathroom gets cleaned. (As opposed to paper towels littering the floor, supplies running out, or the various disgusting things that happen in stalls.) Even if it were the determining factor, there would likely be pushback when people realize that better urinals lead to less frequent cleanings, and I wouldn't want to be the one having to justify the switch to people. And of course, if you already have a urinal, nobody's eager to buy a new one, and nobody's eager to discuss this particular topic.
The way I would see this happening is if users insist on it. And we likely won't until we experience one of these in real life, which makes it a chicken and egg problem.
There's also the argument that splash mats are a cheaper and even superior approach. That argument is unconvincing to me, because the ones I have experienced have been mostly ineffective, but it sounds like others' experience has been better. Maybe here in the US we just don't have very good ones? As a country, we've always been pretty bad at anything that seems gross. (Not that it's all that different in the rest of the West.) We have this naive faith in the ability of dry toilet paper to clean that which it can not, and disgust at alternative approaches that actually work. But that's a different topic. (Specifically, solids not liquids!)
> that's only going to happen if splashed urine is the determining factor in how frequently a bathroom gets cleaned
If you believe in the broken windows theory, there's not one determining factor: Splashes of urine make the bathroom look dirtier and lead to people not taking care of the bathroom properly.
Huh. Having said that, I went to a movie theater over the weekend and they had a funky splash mat in their urinals. It was magical. I'd never seen one shaped like that before. (The usual ones I see have always seemed to make things worse.) Maybe I just don't get out enough.
Sometimes i am using an urinal and i feel like no engineers were involved in the design. Glad to see someone is actually approaching this with proper science.
There is more to it than the splashback tho. Sometimes it seems that the surfaces that already have splashes on them are not angled properly to lead the water to the drain. This seems to create need to have sharp edge/lip rather than round one, which might be tricky to make resilient in porcelain. But the rounded lip certainly allows for droplet flow towards the user rather than the drain hole.
My pet peeve about urinals has to do with the way the separating walls are usually installed. It's systematically too low, as if their goal was to prevent splashing between each station instead of their role of visual privacy.
Go visit an older stadium in the USA. Either no separating walls, or just a trough where you stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the people on your left and right. Eyes forward.
Just aim at the sweet spot where your stream smoothly swirls into the plughole. No spray, minimal sound. Most toilets and all urinals have this spot you can hit. In Amsterdam airport they even mark it for you with a crosshairs!
No amount of engineering can solve the problem that no matter how much you jiggle, you shake, or you dance, the very last drop always falls in your pants.
I stopped having that problem when I started taking a single square of toilet paper, folding it into a quarter square and using it to dab the tip a few times to get the last bit of liquid out. There's enough space to dab a few times with a different spot on the paper and folding it makes it thick enough to not have liquid go all the way thru. Since I started doing that I don't get the post restroom drip. Not really useful for a urinal, but it does work.
Nice, but does it takes into account that some droplets are directly issued from the hose itself ? Not to mention the double stream problem ^u^
Cool paper nonetheless.
> At Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport, the use of fly stickers to change aiming behavior resulted in a reportedly 50–80% reduction (not elimination) in splashback observed and an 8% reduction in cleaning costs
It's surprising it's that high (8%). I would imagine it takes as long to mop a floor that has pee droplets or mop a floor that doesn’t. And someone still needs to mop the bathroom floor anyway and go into the bathroom anyway. Unless you pay the cleaners by hour instead of having them on payroll, monetarily I don't see the difference.
I expect cleaning costs to be dominated by the long tail, ie every bathroom cleanup job being the same except for the odd time when someone threw up on the floor or sprayed poop on the walls or what have you.
Still nice to not get pee on yourself though, that part is good.
I remember being annoyed by splash back in sixth grade. I mocked up an alternative design (essentially, a urinal that tilted away from you), and emailed some friends. They never responded, and I never followed up.
Looking back I feel sad - that's the kind of curiosity to nurture in a kid. But peers are rarely the best group, it would've been better to tell my parents or the right kind of teacher. My friends also could've said something: " I don't know what to do about this but you should totally tell ms blah blah blah", in a serious way.
I'm glad someone else has finally looked at this sticky situation
I mean you're sad about a hypothetical. Why not consider the alternative where even your parents and teachers will probably not care because who wants to hear about a splash free uniral design from a kid in sixth grade. Like if some kid walked up to me with that, I would ignore them too sorry.
Ha no, I'm just saying when pee dries. The article talked mostly about splash on the surrounding area vs self, though I was more concerned with the latter
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[ 0.20 ms ] story [ 11.1 ms ] threadThis paper is Ig® Nobel Physics Prize Winner 2026 https://improbable.com/ig/winners/
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I was just in a stall where the inside of door had a pictogram forbidding users from standing on the edge of the bowl and squatting. I assume this might be for visitors from countries where squatting is common.
Point being, you just never know what random members of the public will do with a door to hide behind.
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[2]: https://acornthorn.co.uk/urinals-wcs-cubicles/urinals/ur068-...
I remember being unpleasantly surprised by one after a particularly heavy New Year's as a student.
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I suppose this disproves Tufte's "There are only two industries that call their customers 'users': illegal drugs and software."
You can pee on one of these mats and the stream almost aerates itself on impact and you get basically no splashback, I guess with a similar mechanism to how an aerating tap produces a stream of water that doesn’t splash off whatever it hits.
[0] not a nobel prize but the prize of the swedish bank in memory of ...
But last week I went to use my new shampoo and it had the same scent. On its own it would be nice enough but all I could smell was piss. Then I forgot and tried the same shampoo again a few days later to the same effect!
What resource will we run out of if we continue to piss in traditional urinals?
Has bullshit marketing terms invaded scientific papers now as well?
https://academic.oup.com/view-large/figure/512223725/pgaf087...
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)
If 50% of the population walk out of a public bathroom without tracking urine on their feet or anything else that touched the floor and custodians have 99% less bodily fluids to deal with, that seems like positive progress. Maybe it will move the needle in ways that are unexpected.
The way I would see this happening is if users insist on it. And we likely won't until we experience one of these in real life, which makes it a chicken and egg problem.
There's also the argument that splash mats are a cheaper and even superior approach. That argument is unconvincing to me, because the ones I have experienced have been mostly ineffective, but it sounds like others' experience has been better. Maybe here in the US we just don't have very good ones? As a country, we've always been pretty bad at anything that seems gross. (Not that it's all that different in the rest of the West.) We have this naive faith in the ability of dry toilet paper to clean that which it can not, and disgust at alternative approaches that actually work. But that's a different topic. (Specifically, solids not liquids!)
If you believe in the broken windows theory, there's not one determining factor: Splashes of urine make the bathroom look dirtier and lead to people not taking care of the bathroom properly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_toilet
There is more to it than the splashback tho. Sometimes it seems that the surfaces that already have splashes on them are not angled properly to lead the water to the drain. This seems to create need to have sharp edge/lip rather than round one, which might be tricky to make resilient in porcelain. But the rounded lip certainly allows for droplet flow towards the user rather than the drain hole.
Frankly, this is more important to me. I’m not looking around, and if someone else does, that’s their problem.
The engineers have spent the last 50yr trying to reduce water usage and material usage without making the product "noticeably" worse.
It's surprising it's that high (8%). I would imagine it takes as long to mop a floor that has pee droplets or mop a floor that doesn’t. And someone still needs to mop the bathroom floor anyway and go into the bathroom anyway. Unless you pay the cleaners by hour instead of having them on payroll, monetarily I don't see the difference.
I expect cleaning costs to be dominated by the long tail, ie every bathroom cleanup job being the same except for the odd time when someone threw up on the floor or sprayed poop on the walls or what have you.
Still nice to not get pee on yourself though, that part is good.
You might have to mop more often from complaints or inspection, maybe?
They're never going to be like "Oh, someone shat on the floor? We'll deal with that at the next scheduled cleaning."
Looking back I feel sad - that's the kind of curiosity to nurture in a kid. But peers are rarely the best group, it would've been better to tell my parents or the right kind of teacher. My friends also could've said something: " I don't know what to do about this but you should totally tell ms blah blah blah", in a serious way.
I'm glad someone else has finally looked at this sticky situation
> I'm glad someone else has finally looked at this sticky situation
Wait ... your splash variants are sticky???
Ha no, I'm just saying when pee dries. The article talked mostly about splash on the surrounding area vs self, though I was more concerned with the latter