2013-2025 and only 2 linked to FSD ? The rest are human errors ? FSD sounds better than human drivers just going by that data. How many people have, for example, BMW killed in 12 years ?
They are all "human errors" since FSD and Autopilot are supervised systems, which is why statistics like these can't be used to make claims like "FSD sounds better than human drivers". At best, you could claim that [Autopilot|FSD]+supervision is better than a human driver, but even then there a a huge number of other variables to consider, e.g.: 'human only engages FSD when they are confident it will handle situation safely'->'artificially high miles/crash for FSD'
Except absolute numbers are meaningless. You need to know driving hours or miles to know the scale. E.g. deaths per 100,000mi or deaths per 100,000hrs.
> you see that he’s a creator of mirages who promises more than he delivers
There is no doubt he has promised many things that have never been delivered, or delivered extremely late.
He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant. Changed the energy market across the globe, delivered exceptional electric vehicles and (finally) put a car on the road for public use with no mirrors, steering wheel or pedals. The production line is also world leading, as stated by every auto CEO that has toured it.
Are they? Rocket Lab is near me, I know a lot of people working there. They haven't flown Neutron rocket yet. Meanwhile SpaceX is already planning to sunset Falcon 9 which is same scale as Neutron. I don't see them being very competitive with Starship, despite being so much cheaper.
He has one effect, which can be good or bad. He’s an attention magnet. He didn’t make Tesla what it was, but he also fucked it up less than most CEOs do. Most CEOs want to make real changes. He just let smart people do great work so he could be on (and eventually buy) Twitter.
His flamboyance raised the profile of electric vehicles. That was good, because we’re gonna need them. When this actual work was the relevant factor, we got DOGE, an unforgivable disaster.
> When Musk is hyper-focused on daily operations, it can often lead to extra work — he’s inserted himself in projects and demanded changes for sometimes arbitrary reasons, former employees say.
> For instance, current and former employees describe times that Musk has deemed certain hardware as having too many tubes, connectors, or wires, or just not generally fitting his preferred design aesthetic. He’s demanded that employees rework and simplify systems, leading employees to spend time justifying why certain parts exist or triggering major redesigns and work that can take weeks to accomplish. Sometimes, that work ultimately has to be reversed when components that were discarded ultimately are needed for the final design.
Musk has said as much himself, adding: "You may have to add [parts or processes] back later. In fact, if you do not end up adding back at least 10% of them, then you didn't delete enough."
Does he actually deliver? Isn't SpaceX ran by grownups that are not him? Isn't it well known that when he's actually involved in trying to deliver that he gets in the way and slows everything down?
> delivered exceptional electric vehicles
Tesla's ranking for quality and reliability and many cases of fraud regarding warranty repairs would disagree rather heavily with "exceptional".
And your analysis ignores his many, many business failures and his overall negative affect on things and culture.
John Carmack is someone whose opinion is worth a heck of a lot to me. If he vouches for Musk as a hands-on rocket engineer, I’m not going to argue with him.
SpaceX is amazing, and he may receive due credit for the "vision" of pushing forward the state of the art in electric vehicles and rockets.
We (society) often glosses over personal failings of popular figures. But given the level of outright lies he has funded in elections and how much money he has spent to get anti-democracy politicians in power in the US, one should not waver in their condemnation of the man's character.
Fascism and racism are more than personal failings when you splash around hundreds of millions of dollars to, for example, get neofascists elected in a German state.
Glad we agree. I can't tell if I'm being downvoted by anti-Musk people who didn't read the whole comment, or pro-Musl people mad that I called him out for funding disinformation campaigns.
Musk has pulled off a reverse von Braun. Von Braun was a Nazi who used slave labor, but whose past was overshadowed by later building cool rockets. Musk built cool rockets, but his past has been overshadowed by association with similarly evil people.
Dylan: I don't like his singing, but some of his songs are quite beautiful.
Musk: The Tesla S and 3 are quite good looking cars. Much better than most of the 'blobs' on the road. The X and Y are a bit chunky. Cybertruck is ugly but audacious. And rockets are beautiful, even the ugly ones. Watching them launch, and watching the boosters land, is awesome.
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[ 0.28 ms ] story [ 25.7 ms ] threadThat seems pretty low?
Driving is extremely dangerous.
Then we’ll get facts about deaths per miles driven etc.
There is no doubt he has promised many things that have never been delivered, or delivered extremely late.
He (his companies/teams) have also utterly changed the space launch landscape to the point of making the rest of the world irrelevant. Changed the energy market across the globe, delivered exceptional electric vehicles and (finally) put a car on the road for public use with no mirrors, steering wheel or pedals. The production line is also world leading, as stated by every auto CEO that has toured it.
Does he over promise and exaggerate? Undoubtedly.
But he does also deliver.
For now. Other countries are catching up, same as they are with electric vehicles.
That is always true, in every industry.
Are they? Rocket Lab is near me, I know a lot of people working there. They haven't flown Neutron rocket yet. Meanwhile SpaceX is already planning to sunset Falcon 9 which is same scale as Neutron. I don't see them being very competitive with Starship, despite being so much cheaper.
His flamboyance raised the profile of electric vehicles. That was good, because we’re gonna need them. When this actual work was the relevant factor, we got DOGE, an unforgivable disaster.
I'm not sure that's the case:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/elon-musk...
> When Musk is hyper-focused on daily operations, it can often lead to extra work — he’s inserted himself in projects and demanded changes for sometimes arbitrary reasons, former employees say.
> For instance, current and former employees describe times that Musk has deemed certain hardware as having too many tubes, connectors, or wires, or just not generally fitting his preferred design aesthetic. He’s demanded that employees rework and simplify systems, leading employees to spend time justifying why certain parts exist or triggering major redesigns and work that can take weeks to accomplish. Sometimes, that work ultimately has to be reversed when components that were discarded ultimately are needed for the final design.
> delivered exceptional electric vehicles
Tesla's ranking for quality and reliability and many cases of fraud regarding warranty repairs would disagree rather heavily with "exceptional".
And your analysis ignores his many, many business failures and his overall negative affect on things and culture.
> If he vouches for Musk as a hands-on rocket engineer
Employees have said otherwise. There was one report where Musk barely understood how to run a Python script.
>But he does also deliver.
Shotwell deserves 99.99% of the SpaceX credit over Musk. anyone who says differently needs to take off their Musk-coloured glasses
also there are very good reasons no one else has released cars on public roads with no mirrors, steering wheels or pedals.
... Wait, how's that?
> delivered exceptional electric vehicles
I mean, I'll give you 'exceptional'. Not exceptionally _good_, though.
We (society) often glosses over personal failings of popular figures. But given the level of outright lies he has funded in elections and how much money he has spent to get anti-democracy politicians in power in the US, one should not waver in their condemnation of the man's character.
[0]: https://babynames.com/blogs/celebrities/all-of-elon-musks-ch...
I didn't even want to sit in front of a screen for 2 hours for Bob Dylan, sheesh.
Musk: The Tesla S and 3 are quite good looking cars. Much better than most of the 'blobs' on the road. The X and Y are a bit chunky. Cybertruck is ugly but audacious. And rockets are beautiful, even the ugly ones. Watching them launch, and watching the boosters land, is awesome.
(Nathan Fielder's Elizabeth Holmes Doc Met with Shock and Awe at Secret Screening https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49613598)