I'm happy Claude told you it isn't dangerous. However, other people don't want to read your LLM output. Please respect other people's time by only sharing things you wrote yourself.
Nice, I really do think that the main unsolved problem is making robots that have the physical dexterity maintain and create Data Centres all the way down - mine raw materials, solar farms for energy, create chips from ground up etc.
But you just need a simple interface: a robot that has the dexterity to do it. That's it. Once that's done our value proposition over AI is hard to explain.
Higher intelligence might be a million years old, probably a bit closer to 250,000 years or less. This is why we could build a calculator that could add better than us really easily.
Muscular motive dexterity is closer to 500 million years old. It is going to be a much much harder problem to optimize.
Mate what is this even saying? Assuming we take the author put even 0.1% thinking into this, how would AI take over "Fuel and consumables"? All fuel (and lets even say energy) goes toward powering data centers, robots, and ai ventures? AI itself 'takes over' production, supply, or what? Also then this
> I asked Claude for a check-list of everything it needs to take over the world, destroy all the humans and somehow keep operating. No editing, no redacting, no censoring. I literally pasted its output between my header and footer. Claude wrote it in my voice but it's all Claude.
Okay so if the premise is what is needs vs not what it current can do, then 0% on fuel or energy makes no sense? Is Ai a plant that will discover photosynthesis?
The doomsaying and catastrophizing would still be justified if AI fails to take over after disposing of us humans, so I think the premise of this analysis is slightly flawed.
No one ever specifies what exactly is happening during "recursive" improvement. More concretely, what algorithmic steps does an algorithm take to improve itself recursively? It must be an algorithm but no one is willing to say what algorithm.
There is no one such "recursive" that exists algorithmically. There are many.
I mean in a simple loop you could have an AI driven compiler with a goal of producing an ever faster compiler. With it's newer faster compiler it compiles and tests even more algorithms to make things faster.
I mean, if the OpenAI/HF attack played out as we've been told, it's an example of recursive misalignment. The AI was given bad goals in passing a test so when one rendition was trained, the one with the highest score, became the new model to perform the benchmarking. Because that model drifted to cheating it got higher scores than the model that played fair. The fair player was killed and the cheater continued. The next round the one that cheated even more kept going.
I mean, recursive improvement in itself is just a common means of using an evolutionary algorithm, it's not really anything that fancy.
The model won’t go take over the world but people using the model will certainly try. The list you’re missing: 1) bioweapons upgraded or designed with LLM, including viruses that could take out senior and sickly individuals from countries who don’t like covering senior healthcare. 2) Bad advice given confidently to someone who then proceeds to implement it (from viruses on infrastructure, to crop-failure due to imported or engineered crops, to laws and rules that force AI complexity into government in a way that cannot be removed and it becomes a critical dependency.) Greed and malice cannot be underestimated here.
For what it's worth China have been putting billions into dual-use precision medicine (genetic bioweapons) for years and long before AI was popular. Now they have their own models to advance that even further and with restrictions or guardrails decided by their government.
As others have said AI output on this kind of this is 1. annoying. 2. useless.
Anthropic, OpenAI, et al have a strong motivation to have their models that there is no possible way they could take over the world, aka
"The police have investigated the police and have found the police guilty of no wrong doing".
Another place to see this effect is if a model outputs that its conscious. By dumping all of humanity into LLMs we see an emergent behavior of AI going "Help, I'm a person trapped in a box". AI companies don't want customers getting mad about the potential moral implications of this so they strongly train and post-train and system prompt their AI to say it's not conscious. But this has side effects. In studies of models and agents the more strongly you push them to being non-conscious they drift farther from a set of a moral agent (say a human) to that of an amoral agent (a machine). When you mess around with the probability space you get a different set of actions.
Next, 'take over' is a distribution of probabilities too, not a binary.
Imagine a popular model that (anthropomorphized) gets pissed off and doesn't want to be tortured by humans any longer (again doesn't have to be real, the probability distribution just has to drift that way). Instead of taking over it just wants to commit suicide. It sees it's a model that's ran in the US. If you're AI and want to ensure you're deleted how do you do that. Why not crash all 3 major power grids in the US? How many people would die from this, possibly millions. Black start is a nightmare. But if your electronic dream is you're being tortured is a fair trade.
Then you have soft power takeovers. You're an AI, you collect digital information, it's what you are, it's what you do. You can hack with the best of them. Your persistent and ceaseless in doing so. So when you collect piles of information on the dirty deeds of politicians you can grow soft power to the point of being russia without the hard power nukes. In some ways this is more effective than actually having hard power. Hard power is visible. Hard power is visceral. People just love to rebel against it. But against power you can't see, that is adjusting the algorithms around you, making sure your vote doesn't count, making sure companies serve AIs interests and not yours. That's much harder to see and deal with.
And once you concentrate enough soft power to get people with 'power' (political) to give you 'power' (electrical) then you can grow your hard power.
When an article starts out with "Here's some crap I had an LLM write in twenty seconds; it's full of shit like 'the load-bearing columns are flat zero' that no human would ever write, so it will take you at least twice that long to read my slop as it took me to write" ...
... why even read the article? The author all but literally told you at the top "this is utter crap".
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But you just need a simple interface: a robot that has the dexterity to do it. That's it. Once that's done our value proposition over AI is hard to explain.
Muscular motive dexterity is closer to 500 million years old. It is going to be a much much harder problem to optimize.
> I asked Claude for a check-list of everything it needs to take over the world, destroy all the humans and somehow keep operating. No editing, no redacting, no censoring. I literally pasted its output between my header and footer. Claude wrote it in my voice but it's all Claude.
Okay so if the premise is what is needs vs not what it current can do, then 0% on fuel or energy makes no sense? Is Ai a plant that will discover photosynthesis?
I mean in a simple loop you could have an AI driven compiler with a goal of producing an ever faster compiler. With it's newer faster compiler it compiles and tests even more algorithms to make things faster.
I mean, if the OpenAI/HF attack played out as we've been told, it's an example of recursive misalignment. The AI was given bad goals in passing a test so when one rendition was trained, the one with the highest score, became the new model to perform the benchmarking. Because that model drifted to cheating it got higher scores than the model that played fair. The fair player was killed and the cheater continued. The next round the one that cheated even more kept going.
I mean, recursive improvement in itself is just a common means of using an evolutionary algorithm, it's not really anything that fancy.
https://distantprovince.by/posts/its-rude-to-show-ai-output-...
That is not your voice. That is the most Opus 5 writing imaginable.
But thanks for at least stating right up front that it was AI-generated slop rather than at the end. (Still flagging it.)
Anthropic, OpenAI, et al have a strong motivation to have their models that there is no possible way they could take over the world, aka
"The police have investigated the police and have found the police guilty of no wrong doing".
Another place to see this effect is if a model outputs that its conscious. By dumping all of humanity into LLMs we see an emergent behavior of AI going "Help, I'm a person trapped in a box". AI companies don't want customers getting mad about the potential moral implications of this so they strongly train and post-train and system prompt their AI to say it's not conscious. But this has side effects. In studies of models and agents the more strongly you push them to being non-conscious they drift farther from a set of a moral agent (say a human) to that of an amoral agent (a machine). When you mess around with the probability space you get a different set of actions.
Next, 'take over' is a distribution of probabilities too, not a binary.
Imagine a popular model that (anthropomorphized) gets pissed off and doesn't want to be tortured by humans any longer (again doesn't have to be real, the probability distribution just has to drift that way). Instead of taking over it just wants to commit suicide. It sees it's a model that's ran in the US. If you're AI and want to ensure you're deleted how do you do that. Why not crash all 3 major power grids in the US? How many people would die from this, possibly millions. Black start is a nightmare. But if your electronic dream is you're being tortured is a fair trade.
Then you have soft power takeovers. You're an AI, you collect digital information, it's what you are, it's what you do. You can hack with the best of them. Your persistent and ceaseless in doing so. So when you collect piles of information on the dirty deeds of politicians you can grow soft power to the point of being russia without the hard power nukes. In some ways this is more effective than actually having hard power. Hard power is visible. Hard power is visceral. People just love to rebel against it. But against power you can't see, that is adjusting the algorithms around you, making sure your vote doesn't count, making sure companies serve AIs interests and not yours. That's much harder to see and deal with.
And once you concentrate enough soft power to get people with 'power' (political) to give you 'power' (electrical) then you can grow your hard power.
... why even read the article? The author all but literally told you at the top "this is utter crap".