Ask HN: How can DigitalOcean not afford $50, but can afford $3M to Omarchy?

2 points by dpmartinez ↗ HN
For the life of me, I don't understand how DigitalOcean can't afford a $50 a month sponsorship to GNOME and Flatpak but can afford $3M to Omarchy. [0]

Not only that, DigitalOcean cancelled their $50 a month sponsorship to GNOME and Flatpak.

How does this make any sense?

[0] https://social.treehouse.systems/@barthalion/117241534134006167

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It has nothing to do with what they can afford. Just because someone can afford an expense does not mean that they are obligated to spend the money. They simply decided not to donate to GNOME any more.
This is what is wrong with the world today.
You object to other people deciding how to spend their own money? In that case I object to how you’re spending your money. I now obligate you to donate $50 a month of your own money to GNOME. You can afford it, so you cannot object.
It is perfectly reasonable to object to the social causes that large powerful companies decide to support. It's telling that a company decides to fund millions of dollars to an ideologically motivated right wing influence campaign targeting open source communities, which by the way mainly profits off other people's work, while pulling far more smaller amounts of funding from projects that do the actual work.
You must be one of those “useful idiots” we so often hear about. It doesn’t even matter if Omarchy was some kind of sekret “right–wing influence campaign” as you say, instead of just a Linux distrubution, because half the population of the US is right wing! It is no stain on DigitalOcean to support a cause embraced by half of the population of the country.

You are just upset about it because you’re not “right wing”. You wouldn’t complain at all if they supported a left–wing influence campaign. On the contrary, you would laud them for it!

And basically everything else you said was just sour grapes.

> You are just upset about it because you’re not “right wing”.

Huh? Yes, I am appalled by someone who literally compared brown people to wolves that should be shot for the protection of the "human" population, which is to mean, white people. That's an ideology that neither deserves respect nor equal protection under the law.

> It doesn’t even matter if Omarchy was some kind of sekret “right–wing influence campaign” as you say

I didn't claim it was "sekret." On the contrary, it's playing out in the open for everyone to see. Wealthy companies and individuals are pouring obscene amounts of money into a fund centered around someone's personal dotfiles with hotkeys for launching a bunch of commercial software. They claim to support other projects, where most of the actual work is done, but projects that have any shred of conscience are avoiding their money like the plague. In effect, it's funding projects that don't have an issue with ethnic cleansing. Digital Ocean even withdrew funding from projects that didn't take DHH money, effectively punishing them for their stance. If something quacks like a duck, it's a duck. That fund is, for all intents and purposes, a right wing influence campaign.

Also despite your attempt at putting together a debate-me-bro response, you couldn't even resist resorting to crude name-calling. And no, adding "useful" before "idiot" doesn't hide your petty emotions.

You display a common lack of reading comprehension. He didn’t say that immigrants should be shot, he said that immigrants whose culture is incompatible with the Danish way of life should be deported. There’s nothing racist about it; “brown” and “white” are words that you read into the text so that you could be angry.
> You display a common lack of reading comprehension.

Nah, my reading comprehension is fine. If anything, you should go look up the definition for "compare" before you start grading other people.

> There’s nothing racist about it

If comparing people to wolves that should be killed based on their race isn't racist for you, what is?

> “brown” and “white” are words that you read into the text

No, it's very clear what DHH means. The Romanis (paraphrasing since DHH only referred to them by a slur) vs. the "native" Danish, the "native Brits" vs. the other 2/3 of the London population. DHH is discriminating based on skin color, that's an unambiguous fact.

> so that you could be angry

I'm not angry, just appalled at you and DHH's racism. I'm not the one angrily hurling crude insults and incoherent rants repeatedly.

He did not even refer to literal Romani. The immigrants he is talking about hail from entirely different parts of the world, and notice the plural. He used that analogy because of their behavior, not because of their ethnicity. Deporting people because of their deplorable behavior is not racist, and people who say that it is devalue the word racism.
Despite it being so common, I'm still bewildered by people wearing their racism like a badge of honor, while at the same time trying to discredit the term so that no action can ever be described as such. That kind of contradiction is human nature I guess, but still.
I already donate to OSS, but I hope you're enjoying being a volunteer spokesperson for defending multi-million dollar tech companies.

It is more damning that a company cannot afford $50, but you're not even getting paid for the free work for your time defending them.

If that is what you choose to do, that's fine, but for people working in OSS with companies depending on their work get nothing.

This is what is wrong with the world today.

I defend their right to private property because I have the same rights to my own property. As you have to your own.
Well I hope you're not expecting a medal from your valiant and tireless defending of these corporations, the medal budget is already spent on this distro.

Keep "fighting the good fight" for free I guess...

The only thing wrong in the world is leftists believing they should be financially supported for vomiting their ideologies all over their projects. The day that GNOME goes bankrupt could not come fast enough.
All signs point to these donations being strictly ideologically motivated, and not because of the alleged merits Omarchy totes. I could further argue how sad it is that efforts like these receive tons of money versus struggling FOSS projects, all for a strictly non-technical reason.
What signs point to these donations being strictly ideologically motivated? It seems more like it is about Omarchy's reach. It has clout right now. All donors stand to benefit from it by supporting it. Digital ocean especially. For an OS that aims to empower users with agents, they're going to need to host their projects somewhere. Gnome has no clout. It's boring and stable. I say this as someone who loves GNOME and uses it.
Some data: https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=popularity

CachyOS is No1 the last three months and is LLM friendly. Debian is the underlying OS for a bunch of distros and its more popular.

The donations are 100% budy-budy and rich kids rubbing shoulders. Nothing else / more than that.

That said, it’s their money. They use it as they please. At the same time, trying to see everything through capitalistic lenses is sort of myopic IMO.

> CachyOS is No1 the last three months and is LLM friendly.

I have not seen a single post of anyone from CachyOS talking about how to drive your install with agents.

CachyOS also openly supports parents transitioning their kids and bans anyone that says a peep otherwise.

> The donations are 100% budy-budy and rich kids rubbing shoulders. Nothing else / more than that.

Means that you haven't been looking. Your 100% figure is incorrect for the mere fact of Omarchy having hundreds of ordinary people as patrons. https://www.zeffy.com/en-US/donation-form/omarchy-patronage

The most heavily astroturfed distro on earth right now gathering hundreds of small donations have zero bearing on the bigger picture.
80k of donations in less than 2 weeks is quite a lot, compared to a lot of other open-source projects.

Heck, Linux Mint gets 15k a month.

And yeah, you are missing the point. The original claim was about 100% of money coming from DHH's friends/buddies/rich kids, and from far-right at that. Hundreds of public donations was merely the sinplest way to debunk the ridiculous claim. The original claim was false.

If we go deeper, we can easily deduct that not only is the 100% number in the claim not correct, but that wherever it might (sic!) be arguably (sic!) correct, even then the number is close to 0%.

> And yeah, you are missing the point.

I think I'm pretty on point if someone insists on focusing on trivial technicalities while ignoring the bigger picture.

Almost always, using absolutes is unwarranted and a sign of stupidity. When the minimal effort to showcase this was used, the stupid argumentation suddenly became "trivial technicalities", in an attempt to escape the accountability after the essense was called into question. If the stupidity displayed was so very much trivial, what does it say about the person who said such clearly incorrect and dubious things initially?
Nitpicking on a rhetorical exaggeration is a form of fallacy, not a serious rebuttal. Throwing in words like "accountability" while doing so makes it look even more unserious. But I'm sure a smart person who couldn't resist the urge to say "stupid" 3 times in one reply can figure that out for themselves.
Saying stuff without thinking is stupid. Not taking responsibility when the stupidity gets called out, is cowardly. Trying to use the "it was joke, maaan" is childish.
What's your idea of a smart responsible adult then? Is it continuing to push on a red herring after being called out thrice? Putting words into someone's mouth? Attacking your opponent for someone else's actions out of desperation? Defending a white suprematist? Throwing a tantrum and resorting to crude insults when challenged?

By all means keep doing what you're doing. Just don't act surprised when people don't look up to you and take your words with respect.

> Putting words into someone's mouth instead of honestly engaging with what's being actually said?

Very poor coming from you.

I'm sure being buddies helps, but people are excited about it, and it is exciting being part of something people are excited about.

The original commentor mentioned the donations were ideologically motivated. I just don't think that is the case. I think people are excited about something that doesn't really have any ideological attachments to it and is just focusing on making something cool. My anecdotal observation of the internet in general and day to day life tells me people are burnt out from that.

1. That theme over the distro didn't need funding as such. It's not providing anything not easily achievable without it. It doesn't need to hire highly paid full time engineers either.

2. Companies, or rather mostly CEOs donating are the usual circle of questionable characters where you can just search for "why is (name) problematic".

They're basically buddies donating to DHH not the project. The only ones that make sense are the tokens from AI companies to be used in actual development.

Gnome has lots of issues that still need to be fixed. Even if you're happy with it, you could find something on the bugtracker that you'd really like addressed. It's basically like seeing a house being built by a big crew, then someone completely unrelated painting the front doors and getting paid more than all of them and credited for the house as a whole.

Same reason Framework donates to far-right devs. Ideological alignment.
> Ideological Alignment

I too align and want to do business with people who's entire online existance is NOT centered around "Everyone who politically disagrees with me is a racist fascist and I want people to cause harm to them and I will ban them from my forums if they disagree at me at all about my politics"

Sweeping Nazi shit under the rug is one thing, sending them free money is even more pathetic.
People do love auditing everyone else’s donations.
Money talks louder than words. This isn't exactly a secret, is it.
May be it is because of DHH. Not sure why did they canceled measly $50 for Gnome.
Jordan Petridis of GNOME has said that people or organizations must "contain Hitler particles" to even consider donating to Omarchy or Hyprland.