> can you drive it to work and send it home by itself? And then ask it to come and get you?
No. The Tesla webpage and in-car guidance are clear on what you can expect from this feature and how the driver is expected to be paying attention. The car will also sense when you are not paying attention and take measures accordingly.
No, they have remote drivers for their "autonomous" taxis.
In other words, they're not really "autonomous". And they don't operate at night --- probably not in bad weather either --- or when communications are unavailable.
"Tesla is the only autonomous vehicle company in the United States that permits its remote operators to directly steer, accelerate, and brake vehicles on public roads."
I see for Tesla assisted driving is not equal to autonomous. I wasn't aware of that. So they are hiring people to drive them like drones.. Somebody else said this and I didn't quite understand it then.. Thanks.
So what happens to all the idiots that declared they will never buy a Tesla simply because of the naming choices that Elon made? Are they finally checking that one item off their list of reasons why they will never ever ever buy a Tesla?
It’s interesting that you focused on so called “idiots” for having an issue with misleading branding and not the actual idiots who came up with that name
I’ve been pretty critical of people who felt that “autopilot” meant way more than it did. For anyone who’s spent time in aviation, autopilots historically have been extremely basic: hold altitude, hold heading, hold climb, etc. I do get the confusion for people not in that space, but calling basic lane-following and adaptive speed control features “autopilot” is pretty defensible.
But “full self driving” is on another level entirely. There’s no ambiguity on what that should mean. Full. Self. Driving. Tesla’s actions here are clearly criminally misleading here to any functioning justice system.
There certainly is, and I think you just demonstrated it. You convolute the meaning 'full' with 'perfect' and implied it was on another safety tier or level from the average driver. 'Full' means it competes on the average driver skill level. When you consider the average driver is fairly terrible at driving safely, you get what we have today.
Punting back to requiring human control with the frequency they do pretty unambiguously violates any sane notion of “full” self driving. Even by your own example, I am confident that humans do not call it quits and throw their hands up in the air while traveling at speed, expecting someone else to take over steering for them.
Nowhere in my post did I even hint at comparing FSD to human driving safety. That was all you.
If not humans, what else could you possibly use to compare it with for judgement on safety? It is heavily implied this was humans, but you somehow know of a better model for public safety?
They continue to not buy a product from a fraudster. Not much changes, I propose. They buy a BYD or other quality non Tesla EV (Tesla sells ~2M EVs/year, China can build ~50M/year in aggregate, as of this comment). Those who still want Teslas buy them.
As my kids say, “You don’t buy from people who lie to you.”
Being a terrible human isn’t a politics issue, more values, ethics, morals, etc (although politics are how those foundations are expressed). He will die eventually, it’s just how long we have to wait and how much harm he causes until then. Think vulnerability exposure time horizon. I do not want to give my money to monsters, that’s all. If others do, heh, it’s their money. I don’t have strong feelings because it doesn’t matter, he’s a peacock on a stage (“Look at me! Worship me! Witness me!”), and climate change mitigation will succeed without him and Tesla (which is important to me, as someone primarily concerned about the planetary climate trajectory).
Do I despair that terrible people exist longer than they should? Yes. Do I take comfort that death comes for everyone as the great equalizer? Also yes. “It is what it is.” With time and age comes wisdom, imho.
Terrible according to you though...objectively he accelerated electric car adoption, grew Space X to what it is today, and saved free speech with the purchase of Twitter.
1.5/3. His early support for EVs was followed up by supporting a president who thinks they're stupid and global warming is a hoax. Which he's allowes to do, but rather undermines any benefit from being "The EV guy".
Bluesky and Mastodon are freer than X.
You can have SpaceX. Falcon's good, shame it's being wound down for Starship which is currently being developed slower and more expensively than the Saturn V, and about as explody as the N1.
Tesla does not have point to point autonomous driving. They state in their own marketing material, https://www.tesla.com/fsd, that "Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." I used to blame Elon Musk for this, but while he's made a number of over-optimistic predictions, as far as I can tell even he doesn't claim that FSD is currently autonomous. The idea that you can safely turn on FSD without being actively alert and engaged seems to be entirely a social media hallucination from Tesla fans.
Tesla has become a vanity project operated by an emotionally unhealthy, power seeking narcissist who will chase attention and validation for the foreseeable future. It is not a critical component to global electrification.
Tesla was always an option on batteries improving at roughly the widely forecasted rates. This is the same information that the established automakers used to not focus on electric vehicles.
I wonder if we’ll see a reduced feature set in Europe as well, especially when it’s first released. Honestly it’s incredible it’s taken this long for it to come out
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[ 14.6 ms ] story [ 131 ms ] threadNo. The Tesla webpage and in-car guidance are clear on what you can expect from this feature and how the driver is expected to be paying attention. The car will also sense when you are not paying attention and take measures accordingly.
https://www.tesla.com/fsd
In other words, they're not really "autonomous". And they don't operate at night --- probably not in bad weather either --- or when communications are unavailable.
"Tesla is the only autonomous vehicle company in the United States that permits its remote operators to directly steer, accelerate, and brake vehicles on public roads."
https://tesorb.com/tesla-robotaxi-remote-operations-teleoper...
https://www.autonocion.com/us/tesla-robotaxi-night-curfew/
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
But “full self driving” is on another level entirely. There’s no ambiguity on what that should mean. Full. Self. Driving. Tesla’s actions here are clearly criminally misleading here to any functioning justice system.
There certainly is, and I think you just demonstrated it. You convolute the meaning 'full' with 'perfect' and implied it was on another safety tier or level from the average driver. 'Full' means it competes on the average driver skill level. When you consider the average driver is fairly terrible at driving safely, you get what we have today.
Nowhere in my post did I even hint at comparing FSD to human driving safety. That was all you.
As my kids say, “You don’t buy from people who lie to you.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...
Do I despair that terrible people exist longer than they should? Yes. Do I take comfort that death comes for everyone as the great equalizer? Also yes. “It is what it is.” With time and age comes wisdom, imho.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49893898
Bluesky and Mastodon are freer than X.
You can have SpaceX. Falcon's good, shame it's being wound down for Starship which is currently being developed slower and more expensively than the Saturn V, and about as explody as the N1.
Tesla was always an option on batteries improving at roughly the widely forecasted rates. This is the same information that the established automakers used to not focus on electric vehicles.