Citizens sometime commit crime. The Police justify indiscriminate gathering of evidence preemptively against all citizens using Flock based on the rationale that when a crime does end up being committed, the evidence will already be gathered.
Well, guess what? Police also commit crime. The same justification applies. If Flock is justified, this is justified.
No justification is required. Police visiting this person over completely legal public photography is an egregious violation of First Amendment rights.
This is wild. I heard of another story where a man bought a 'police-like' flashing red and blue light and siren which he used it to speed and run red lights and speed. He too got a visit from the police.
Ridiculous the things police get away with that aren't available to normal people.
So you’re going with: equating breaking the law by impersonating a police officer and reckless endangerment, to passive data collection with a camera? And not because it breaks the law, but because the police don’t like it?
There are things that cops are allowed to do (surveillance) that citizens are restricted to do.
It's not complicated or some gotcha. I'm fine with police cameras that whose access is strictly controlled, monitored and used to fight crime, rather than some creep taking pictures of me and doing God knows what with it.
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic but that’s not really comparable.
Police do have privileges that ordinary citizens do not. That’s understood, and part of the reason they should be held to a higher standard of conduct than ordinary citizens.
Using their emergency lights and ignoring traffic rules in order to get to a real emergency is one of those privileges.
Widespread, automated mass surveillance is not one of those privileges.
Yes, they are held to a higher standard. That's why the surveillance tools police rely on are strictly controlled and monitored, unlike what this guy is doing.
I've often thought about a number plate reading dashcam app for citizens that would warn you of dangerous drivers around you, let people flag the cars they want to call out. Moderation would be a nightmare though, but I thought you could have to submit some sort of proof,bl but that just increases the moderation overhead...
You could allow the user to flag it and keep the alerts to only them. They would get the alert, they could add notes of what happened so when that plate shows again they will know. Maybe build it so that you can add friends to a group and share plate details. It's GOLD Jerry!
But yeah moderation would be a nightmare still - I could see a ton of ways to abuse this. Criminals will figure it out as a source to track individuals, placing themselves in their known travel path, setup satellite spots to alert, that way for example if they're casing the joint they could have alerts when then individual is coming back.
Great, now ppl are going to make this app and use it for bad, see what you did.
But I trust my friends. When my group tags an obnoxious driver's car and I'm alerted to it being nearby, then: That makes me feel safer.
All I had to do was log in on Autora and make a little friends group for everyone to join, and they handle the rest. It doesn't cost us anything! It's so nice of them to provide this service for everyday people like us.
I also signed up for some other groups I found on Facebook and those are pretty neat, too! I just do my regular driving like I always have, and every week they each drop a few dollars into my PayPal account. It feels great to make the world a little safer, and I haven't had to worry about paying for Disney+ for months now!
> “One of them [the officers] took the time to specifically mention how scary it would be for them, because people would be able to find out where they lived, when they got on their shift and what they were doing throughout the day, and that that type of powerful information could put them personally at risk for any bad apples that might want to track them down,”
Yeah well, if you're not doing anything wrong you've nothing to worry about, eh?
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[ 5.3 ms ] story [ 34.4 ms ] threadWell, guess what? Police also commit crime. The same justification applies. If Flock is justified, this is justified.
I can make stuff up too!
Ridiculous the things police get away with that aren't available to normal people.
Very brave man, good for you.
It's not complicated or some gotcha. I'm fine with police cameras that whose access is strictly controlled, monitored and used to fight crime, rather than some creep taking pictures of me and doing God knows what with it.
Police do have privileges that ordinary citizens do not. That’s understood, and part of the reason they should be held to a higher standard of conduct than ordinary citizens.
Using their emergency lights and ignoring traffic rules in order to get to a real emergency is one of those privileges.
Widespread, automated mass surveillance is not one of those privileges.
So it appears we agree.
After all, they are doing the same thing: recording license plates in public view.
A related but different question is if police use of a private dragnet violates the fourth amendment. I believe that it does.
But yeah moderation would be a nightmare still - I could see a ton of ways to abuse this. Criminals will figure it out as a source to track individuals, placing themselves in their known travel path, setup satellite spots to alert, that way for example if they're casing the joint they could have alerts when then individual is coming back.
Great, now ppl are going to make this app and use it for bad, see what you did.
All I had to do was log in on Autora and make a little friends group for everyone to join, and they handle the rest. It doesn't cost us anything! It's so nice of them to provide this service for everyday people like us.
I also signed up for some other groups I found on Facebook and those are pretty neat, too! I just do my regular driving like I always have, and every week they each drop a few dollars into my PayPal account. It feels great to make the world a little safer, and I haven't had to worry about paying for Disney+ for months now!
#blessed #couponing #sidegigs
Yeah well, if you're not doing anything wrong you've nothing to worry about, eh?