Anyone commenting please watch the video first. Would a reasonable jury determine this to be Attempted Second-degree Murder? perhaps it is, any thoughts from a person with criminal law experience? We clearly see the car turning, going out of its way towards the person. Additionally, a pursuit on foot would have been possible the car qualifies as a deadly weapon in this case I think.
Not to mention the "re-positioning" of the victim's vehicle to shore up ICE's narrative.
Don't worry though, just like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50090246 someone will be along to say "mistakes are inevitable, but we need to enforce immigration law, and this is an acceptable price, though not ideal".
IANAL, let alone a trial-lawyer, but with juror-experience in case involving a cop-adjacent defendant and a non-fatal shooting.
> Attempted Second-degree Murder?
Hold up, what this means varies by state. Illinois law says that second-degree still requires an intent to kill [0], and I think the prosecution would have a hard time proving (from the video, anyway) that the driver wanted to turn the victim into road-splatter.
In contrast, the next step down of (attempted?) "Involuntary Manslaughter and Reckless Homicide" seems much easier to prove, and explicitly draws in "with a vehicle" aspects.
Did you read the link with the law? You are begging the question that the driver's direct intent was to run the victim over. (Not recklessness, idiocy, target fixation, etc.)
It's quite possible, but if you're going to prosecute someone in a court case, you've got to have a lot more than just "it fits the pattern for these assholes."
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Don't worry though, just like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50090246 someone will be along to say "mistakes are inevitable, but we need to enforce immigration law, and this is an acceptable price, though not ideal".
No, because it’s a law enforcement officer doing it.
Possible! Many police officers have gone to jail for murdering people.
IANAL, let alone a trial-lawyer, but with juror-experience in case involving a cop-adjacent defendant and a non-fatal shooting.
> Attempted Second-degree Murder?
Hold up, what this means varies by state. Illinois law says that second-degree still requires an intent to kill [0], and I think the prosecution would have a hard time proving (from the video, anyway) that the driver wanted to turn the victim into road-splatter.
In contrast, the next step down of (attempted?) "Involuntary Manslaughter and Reckless Homicide" seems much easier to prove, and explicitly draws in "with a vehicle" aspects.
[0] https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ILCS/details?MajorTopic=RIG...
A reasonable person would expect severe injury or death from running somebody over, and that is enough to satisfy 'intent.'
"Caaarl!! THAT KILLS PEOPLE!" "How was I supposed to know stabbing him 37 times in the chest would do that?"
It's quite possible, but if you're going to prosecute someone in a court case, you've got to have a lot more than just "it fits the pattern for these assholes."
would you?
I would certainly consider him guilty, if not of exactly that crime.
It wasn't even the guy they had a "warrant" for.