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ares623
Oh I'm surprised to learn that their engineers and scientists had 0% usage of their tools before!
avree
Does Sergey still work in the day to day at Google? I thought he mostly stepped back after that affair he had with the product marketing woman for the Google Glass project.
seanhunter
Maybe they will recursively self-improve to the point where they are competitive with Anthropic and OpenAI.
chaostheory
[delayed]
smashers1114
I disagree somewhat. I think internally OpenAI, Anthropic and Google are probably all pretty close right now. Argon is competitive with Opus 5.5 and Astra. It might be third, but its competitive at least. Its becoming more apparent that different models are RL'd for different tasks.

Astra (or broadly openAI) are best for mathematics, 3D modeling, and vision. Opus 5.5 is best at like visual design (or just in general adding more taste and feel)

Now, it can depend on your definition of frontier class model. But Argon is a strong model. Google is not running a distant third. If OpenAI and Anthropic shut down they would have the strongest model on the market in like 2 months imo. Google does suck at shipping (maybe due to an unusual amount of dogfooding models internally?)

And we know all the labs have stronger internal models than their public releases.

treebeard901
It's not guaranteed that a next token prediction machine is capable of recursive self improvement.
kennywinker
Does this not just mean they’re using LLMs to prep training data for the next LLM to be trained on? Because it sounds like that, reading between the lines of hype, i mean.
lazide
it just feeds into the ouroboros issue, however, as it lacks reliable independent feedback.

kind of like grading your own tests in school.

if you’re really honest, hey maybe. and it’s certainly faster for the teacher!

cyanydeez
Look at it more like eugenics, inbreeding and phrenology.

It will be no better at finding/determining a fitness function that accounts for future unknowns and limited information than the rest.

brazukadev
it is probably about coding its own harness and being able to assess it to improve.
pbiggar
Reminder Sergey Brin was in the Epstein files.
ZeroGravitas
And his wife was RFK's running mate and main funder when he ran for President on a platform of vaccines causing autism.
vrganj
Snake Oil vendor says his oil cures cancer.
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