Imagine going back in time to tell Hitler that, in 80 years, the German far-right would be led by a publicly pro-Jewish lesbian. Hell… maybe someone did, and that’s why he shot himself.
It feels to me we should be using quotations for the term "far-right", it has the same feel to me as Republicans calling Obama a socialist when he was still president.
National Socialist was a lie at the time. The meaning of socialism has not changed. Labels are assertions, not prescriptions. The inconsistency is truth, not ideology.
The socialism part was fake. The named it so because socialism was popular and the promises are hard to distinguish from some right wing parties. In the past jews were the main enemy, now its muslims.
Seems to me the Jews are still very much target #1, not-further-specified migrants #2 and with black people a clear #3 (strange to see that in Germany), and while it mentions muslims, there's 10 hate slurs against Jews for every 1 mention of muslims.
Oh, and the first mention of muslims seems to be encouragement of Palestinian shall we say "actions against Jews" in like the 7th mail here. But yes, it does get quite negative after that.
No, Hitler himself said that the cooptation of "socialism" was on purpose[0], don't get fooled by simple naming, it's the easiest way one can be manipulated (e.g.: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"):
> "Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
> "Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
> "Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
> "We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
I think there will be verification by german press and CCC in the following days.
As what I can say, the mbox files / messages from the torrent correspond to the site and LLM generated summaries.
In `99_FOR_JOURNALISTS/VERIFY.md` you may find instructions to validate (DKIM) it for your self.
"Free speech" is typically about the government restricting what you are allowed to say (e.g. the FCC threatening removal of ABC's broadcasting license) and nothing to do with allowing individuals to defame others.
It's shocking how many people in the USA don't understand how their country and laws are designed to work.
It's a general aim of conversation to be able to get your point across so that the other party can understand what you're trying to say. However, if you have no desire to improve your communication skills, then you can just post meaningless tripe and have people think that you have nothing of import to say.
Cloudflare has put up a notice saying that the site is suspected of phishing, but doesn't block access to it. The site has been reported as some kind of phishing site, someone clearly doesn't it.
The issue of sites like this is their one-sided nature. If they are going to be fair then they should dump the archives of all the other parties, then AfD supporters will not be able to claim that they are being set upon.
Acts like these have the ability to create sympathy and dislike in equal measure for their targets.
It's flagged because lots of "trusted" users flagged it.
Why did they do that? Some might have an aversion to politics in general. That has long been a strong strain here, with people seeing it as diluting the tech focus.
But for a lot, it's clearly more sinister. There has been a lot of partiality in tech recently to plainly fascist and other ultra-right-wing ideas, especially among the executives and capital. They like it, and want it to win, everywhere, and will reflexively do what they can to help it, including burying bad coverage.
I'm not sure that's true. There seems to be more a general thing to flag politics as it's not so much what the HN is about. The most prominent owner is probably PG who wrote a long thing on why to vote Kamala.
Post a fact about how bad is the far right, including the current US administration, and it will be flagged.
Post a fake news about how good is the far right, including the current US administration, and it will be right on the front page, no matter how much you downvote or flag.
Careful when downloading via a German ISP - looks like people already made a tracker to easily file lawsuits against anyone who dares to torrent (and thus redistribute) this:
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[ 0.36 ms ] story [ 126 ms ] threadThat’s old news [1].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
If that phrase were evaluated in the US in 2026, would that be "far left"?
I ask because it seems these phrases and coordinate systems are just an inconsistent clickbait mess.
Seems to me the Jews are still very much target #1, not-further-specified migrants #2 and with black people a clear #3 (strange to see that in Germany), and while it mentions muslims, there's 10 hate slurs against Jews for every 1 mention of muslims.
Oh, and the first mention of muslims seems to be encouragement of Palestinian shall we say "actions against Jews" in like the 7th mail here. But yes, it does get quite negative after that.
But yes, after that it does go quite negative.
> "Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
> "Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
> "Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
> "We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatint...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jacobus_Belsen_-_Das...
That's 95 years ago, how have we not internalized that things named by bad people don't usually do what the name says?
Don't judge people by what they say but by what they do, goes the saying. Pay even less attention to what they call themselves.
Website screams AI slop though.
It's shocking how many people in the USA don't understand how their country and laws are designed to work.
The issue of sites like this is their one-sided nature. If they are going to be fair then they should dump the archives of all the other parties, then AfD supporters will not be able to claim that they are being set upon.
Acts like these have the ability to create sympathy and dislike in equal measure for their targets.
Why did they do that? Some might have an aversion to politics in general. That has long been a strong strain here, with people seeing it as diluting the tech focus.
But for a lot, it's clearly more sinister. There has been a lot of partiality in tech recently to plainly fascist and other ultra-right-wing ideas, especially among the executives and capital. They like it, and want it to win, everywhere, and will reflexively do what they can to help it, including burying bad coverage.
For a second, I thought this is Dangs / HN official view now lol
This site is owned by far-right aligned people and they censor everything that makes them look bad.
Post a fact about how bad is the far right, including the current US administration, and it will be flagged.
Post a fake news about how good is the far right, including the current US administration, and it will be right on the front page, no matter how much you downvote or flag.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/germanys-far-right-...
other sources have picked it up for those curious
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https://github.com/marioco/AfDLeakercatcher