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I can't think of a feature I care less about on a laptop. I have owned several laptops with touchscreens, and literally the only thing it's ever done is misclick something when I inadvertently touched my screen. I have a tablet and a phone if I want to tap a screen.

Unrelated: I find it amusing that the screen they showcase looks like a very broken display panel.

Anecdotally I think the launch submissions have been a lot less popular for this device than normal:

- it did top the Mac subreddit (700 upvotes) but ranks as the 12th-most popular post in the last month

- it didn't top HN (491 upvotes)

- it didn't top Reddit's main Apple subreddit (1000-1200 upvotes)

I might be remembering wrong but I think this kind of news usually gets thousands of upvotes.

> I can't think of a feature I care less about on a laptop

This is how I feel too, but at 49, a Mac user since we bought our 128k, I'm no longer certain I am the market - fairly sure I am not. I have two kids, 10 and 7, and we've had a handful of cheap Chromebook laptops, some with touch and some without, and I can say that my kids always prefer the ones with. I don't get it, objectively it doesn't make sense to me, but it does to them. They would absolutely prefer a touchscreen, even in laptop form factor.

I feel like that might be due to the fact that it is not a Pro/Max model and that they are skipping on to M7 next year.
I agree with you 100%, however I think this will be a game changer in productivity for device testing (ipad/iphone etc and all different screen sizes) no longer need to do device testing till the last step for touch based features. other than that its not great imo.
Agreed, I love pen-supported laptops - but I'm told the mac won't support the apple pencil :(

Who uses finger touch on a laptop? I've never actually seen people use it in the wild so I'm just confused where the demand comes from.

It feels like Apples out of ideas, they should lean more into Vision Pro than a Mac with a touch screen or iPhone Duo.

An agentic OS, that you can speak to a majority of the time to get stuff done, also seems like an interesting direction

My 2018 (maybe 2017?) 13" 2-in-1 HP Spectre x360 was one of the nicest pieces of hardware I've ever owned (albeit not that powerful by today's standards), it's just a shame that Windows was so inadequately designed to support the hardware.

I definitely think that a distinct mode is needed though, the inverse of attaching a keyboard to an iPad to make it more desktop-y.

I never had such a laptop but I'm very curious to see how this can work in practice. I really don't see what could be done on efficiently on the screen. In regular computer use, my wrists lay on the computer or desk and move very little. On the other hand, lifting the arm requires some non-negligible effort and break the flow.
I've been using touchscreen laptops for more than a decade now. It's been really useful when working on mobile stuff and occasionally handy in some games or when sketching something, but other than that - it just stays unused.
> Unrelated: I find it amusing that the screen they showcase looks like a very broken display panel.

Yes! Thank you. Maybe marketing is trying to normalize that appearance after the Duo-bacle.

What was the duo-bacle?
It took me fifteen minutes to figure out that the screen reads "PRO". At first I thought it was PBN and couldn't make head or tail of it.
I didn’t even see letters until reading your comment…
Get ready for MacOS to turn into iOS ...
[delayed]
This is how it works with voice over on ios devices, and it’s pretty natural after you use it for awhile.
Oof.

Also, what on earth is that wallpaper?

I know, right? Anyone who's ever had a cracked display will instantly associate that look with being broken.
My wife has the first gen Microsoft Surface laptop.

We have, by accident, rediscovered the touch feature multiple times because every time we stop using it and forget it’s there.

I got a touchscreen laptop in 2013 or 2014. It was cool for a couple days, then just annoying when I accidentally clicked on stuff. My new work laptop has a touchscreen and I occasionally use it to scroll. I mostly forget about the touch feature until I'm showing a colleague something and they accidentally click it. Kind of surprising how many people touch laptop screens
Explains why the UX got shittier over the past 1.5 years.
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Nothing I love more than fingerprints on a laptop screen.

Useless feature for laptops unless it’s a flip around convertible or something.

Even if you don’t use it, there’s literally no downside to having it. The touch hardware costs basically noting to add to an existing panel.
There are literal downsides: - Higher cost - More complexity/things to break - Apple fucking up the UI to accommodate a feature you’ll never use
The cost is just literally not higher in any significant way and the complexity is also not higher in any significant way. Framework even lets you install their new touch screen part on any of their old non-touch screen mainboards with the same connector. It’s just a drop-in replacement even with old hardware that never had a touch screen.

Doesn’t the $450 iPad debunk that idea completely? Or the $230 Apple Watch? Or the $699 iPhone 17e? The cheapest computers Apple sells have a touch screen.

A computer that survives being banged around on your wrist and swimming underwater has a touchscreen.

Fucking up the UI is not an inevitability. KDE didn’t fuck up the UI, works great on my touch screen. Windows 11 for all its faults handles touch screens very well, as well as non-touch environments.

I see your points and your various comments on this topic.

But I must ask; are you a regular user of macOS? Do you depend on Macs daily? Are you actually invested in that platform as a developer or user?

Every MacBook Pro I've owned in the last decade ends up with a keyboard-shaped outline of finger oils on the screen from the lack of clearance between the screen and keyboard when closed, so I guess they're just leaning into that now.
I'm so confused why they didn't make this a 2-in-1. I would love to see an Apple iteration on a Surface Book or Yoga.
Can't believe Apple has finally invented touchscreens on laptops.
Right. Can’t wait to see what all their competitors do to catch up.
I can barely stand getting my hands off the keyboard to grab the mouse - lifting them off the keyboard to touch the screen is not something I’d ever use

In fact, I do everything I can to avoid having to move my hands off the keyboard - I have a stream deck that touches my keyboard so that I can quickly press a button with my hand barely moving for “advanced” shortcuts that I don’t feel like contorting my hand for, on top of all the usual shortcuts

I wish they’d devote resources to figuring out a better keyboard experience vs this also ran feature that I know for a fact almost no one uses

I personally hate touch and can't see myself using it. At the same time, my daughter who is used to Chromebooks, keeps touching the screen on my Macbook. Maybe the target audience is different here.
This is really what it's about. At this point it's awkward for the people who are used to every screen they have reacting to touch for MacBooks to be the only ones that don't, so Apple felt like they had to add it.
That was my thought, too. If I ever get one myself, I’m likely to forget about the touch feature and just keep using the trackpad and keyboard.

But whenever my adult daughter shows my six-year-old grandson something on her Macbook, he immediately tries touching the screen and is confused when it doesn’t respond. He doesn’t have any devices of his own yet, so his defaulting to touch is the result of very occasionally being allowed to use an adult’s smartphone or tablet.

The M-series Macbooks have been some of the best machines I've ever used. Why do they seem so intent on ruining that streak?
Yeah, no. I’m not jumping through any hoops to make my apps work on anything I don’t need to until Apple starts treating developers like people.
I enjoy building apps for macOS in my spare time. Most recently, a little one-off app for making macOS (mostly) usable without reaching for the mouse or trackpad (keyboard-driven).

I am no macOS expert, but I already have a handful of questions about how touch input is going to work.

How will hiding/showing hidden menu bars and docks work? What about all the various UI elements that display based on conditionally hovering the mouse? How does one move a window from one space to another via touch input -- hot corners, I guess?

Needless to say, I doubt I am the target audience for this device.

One question is how do you get to the context menu with touch. Tap and hold?
Is this why UI elements have gotten bigger and rounder?
Touch on Mac OS is pretty cool news. It's not that useful in the current form factor, but hopefuly iPads running MacOS is next on the list of their products (i.e. basically an Apple version of Surface Pro).

On a side note, I hope this makes Linux distros follow suit with good touchscreen support. On a lot of them Firefox webpages don't even scroll properly on first install.

Absolute banger as an X-mass gift to yourself. I'm applying for a loan to afford it.
i'm a fan of the macbook pro line but this seems really stupid, at least as dumb as the touchbar
I seem to be the only person here who’s glad to see it. I use the touchscreen on my windows machine frequently to scroll, zoom, and freehand draw. When you’re just browsing content it makes it very simple to move around.

If you don’t like it don’t use it - you’re likely not the target audience.

I think the thing for me is that Mac trackpads have always been so good and so far ahead of those in the Win/PC space that I’ve never wanted for a touch screen for the types of interactions you’re describing (aside from freehand drawing).
Does your Windows device fold, or do you actually reach up across the keyboard to touch the screen? If these things folded into a tablet mode I might consider it, but stretching your arm out across the desk and keyboard at an awkward angle seems like it would get uncomfortable pretty quickly.
The only reason this would be exciting is if iPads got macOS, or if whatever touch Mac they release is basically just an iPad successor.
Plot twist: Apple will regret this decision and fully remove in a year.
My mother 66 never got comfortable with using computers but loves her iPad.

She reaches out to touch my MacBook display every so often when I show her stuff.

This is the lowest common denominator that Apple is designing for lately.

Hope they add the option to turn it off.