I'm thankful that a manager at Xbox took a big chance on me and helped me to get my foot in the door in video games when I only had a college degree and a boatload of passion. But I'm just as thankful that when I first moved to Seattle, there were a few companies that didn't take a chance on me, because if they had, I never would have even applied for that job in video games - now doing something that I never dreamed I'd be able to do: designing video games for a living.
Just as important to getting the opportunities is taking advantage of them. If Bijan had never agreed to take part in Spark, this may never have happened. So kudos to him for taking the bull by its horns.
When I was about to graduate high school, I knew one thing: I couldn't be an adult and live with my folks (who are wonderful), or depend on them, period. Just the way I'm wired, I guess. I knew HTML and CSS really well (this was when A List Apart was huge), but that was about it. I had no right to a web designer/frontend developer job, let alone a leading one.
But there I was in Fairfax at my first real interview just a handful of days before graduation, nervous as hell. The business was document management and tax preparation web applications. My portfolio consisted of a single website I created to accompany my resume a week before this interview, with some made-up content about Herndon, deployed to a free webhost. I talked a good game about <table>-less CSS-driven layouts, accessibility, all the stuff his departing designer had been pushing for (thanks again, ALA).
The guy thought I was sharp and took a chance on me. He offered a small salary that seemed like a pot of gold to 18-year old me, and it was enough to be able to get my own place, not even with roommates. I was ecstatic, and I'll never forget the excitement of that summer.
In the rare event that you read Hacker News, thanks Arnold :^) ... Who knows where I'd be today if you hadn't taken that risk.
Similar story here. I spent a year out of college unemployed, listlessly sending out job applications in an awful market and stewing in depression. When I finally got a break it was at a company full of old-hand COBOL and RPG-IV programmers... and they wanted to hire me to lead a huge web-based modernization effort! Me, a scraggly-looking kid, decades younger than the rest of the team, with no real evidence of my talents or experience. And likewise the pay was a pittance compared to what the programmers in SV were allegedly making. But the degree of freedom to do basically whatever I wanted, however I wanted, more than made up for it. To this day they're delighted with the work that I produce, and it's done absolute wonders for my self-confidence. And even though I could strike out for greener pastures at this point, the fact that they took such a chance on me is the reason that I stick by them.
Personally I'm thankful my first employers/managers didn't fire me for being consistently late at work. Took me a while to figure out that being punctual is actually perceived as a big deal.
Chris Phillips. He was the first person to see promise in me beyond my own ambition, which was a big deal to a somewhat immature 18-year-old. He died in a freak climbing accident before I could ever properly thank him.
For a while I applied to jobs left and right. I have very little professional experience(marketing). I hoped for similar story; someone willing to give me a shot. It never happened. Instead, I changed my focus to growing my girlfriend's dog treat business(startup). In the end, I gave myself a shot.
I'm still in college so I don't have a ton to look back on, but I am very grateful that hackNY took a chance on me last summer. I certainly wasn't as qualified as many of the fellows and the program changed the direction I plan to take my life over the next few years. I was a Bioengineering Major dabbling in programming and now I'm goingfull-steam-ahead with CS and couldn't be more excited for where programming will take me over the next few years. I now know someone at dozens of cool companies and I got a chance to meet some industry legends, all because whoever read my application thought an Android app or two was enough experience to write production code for pay at an incredible startup (SecondMarket). Best summer of my life and only good things ahead, thanks hackNY.
Someone on Craigslist paid me $50 to fix his CSS in the late 1990s. I was a teenager in Virginia looking at CL for the first time (not knowing it only served the Bay Area) when I saw the post in "gigs." I told him he could pay me half the original amount since I didn't totally solve his second of two problems, but he said, "I don't underpay my contractors," and the full amount was in my PayPal shortly thereafter. As a teenager who'd never held a job I was pretty stoked about getting paid for something fun. Later I'd be the only non-CS major hired by my university as a summer student PHP programmer. I never took the plunge to do programming full time, but I'm slowly working it into my job as a mechanical engineer.
I am thankful for my last boss. I had just got my Masters degree in Computer Science, but because I was so busy I never really had time to put together a portfolio. He found me on Reddit and asked if I could code in Python. I said yes, he hired me right away without asking any other questions and said if he was satisfied after two weeks I could stay. I was quite nervous at first but I was never fired, and I learned a lot working for them. Unfortunately 8 months later they ran out of funding, but I will always remember the benefit of the doubt that he gave me. Now I need to find someone else to take a chance on me!
Honestly, very few individuals have ever taken a chance on me, but the British government certainly did in a very life-changing way: I was lucky enough to go to university when a full student grant would still pay for tuition and all basic living expenses. I got a BSc and then a PhD, which was a giant leg-up (from a working-class background).
Really great recruiter in NYC in 1997. Told me exactly what to say for the interview and I got the job, with zero experience and a 2 yr gap after college. Even got me $33k when I asked for $27k. Thought I was the luckiest kid at the time!
1. In 1998, I was hired by the editor of the local newspaper to help maintain their new website. I was 14 at the time and my resume consisted of a couple of websites dedicated to Age of Empires.
2. In beginnig 2000, at the age of 15, I was hired on by a small dialup ISP for a tech support role. I was the first employee the founding group had hired. At first it was just an after-school job, but it turned into a full-time job a few years later. I can't even begin to describe how much I learned there over the years.
This is a testament to how much weight luck holds in achieving a successful career, and how one's life is largely governed by people's whims and general arbitrariness.
(This is true not only due to people taking chances on others, but because people are born into situations that govern their capacity for success. Malcolm Gladwell demonstrates this wonderfully in Outliers, a book that has had a large impact on me and which I recommend to everyone I can. But I digress.)
Very true. Most "took a chance on me" stories are also biased towards people at the start of their careers. Many older unemployed people desperately need someone to take a chance on them.
It's definitely a bit disconcerting, but perhaps not in the way you mean. I'm not so worried about failing to achieve my dreams because I didn't get lucky.
I'm worried I'll fail and never know if I failed because I was unlucky, or because I just wasn't good enough. That's what makes me uncomfortable.
I get over it pretty quickly, but it's still unsettling, if only for a moment.
Well, then, like anything else, you maximize your chances of success and having a few lucky breaks by: (a) having a long time horizon, developing expertise, and sticking with it, (b) simply going up to bat more and taking more and more chances (e.g. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"), and (c) learning from failure/mistakes and rebounding from it.
At first glance, his post reads like he had one lucky break after another after another, but I'm sure the road felt very shaky and uncertain along the way, and he doesn't mention any of his mistakes/failures and I'm sure he made several (it just wasn't the point of the post).
I'd like to add to this. One thing Jack Dorsey said (paraphrasing here) in his interview with Kevin Rose (in Foundation series), is that he wishes he is fortunate to realise an opportunity when it presents itself.
To me that means 2 things: seeking out and creating opportunities. Build stuff, meet people, take risks and chances. This increases the chances of opportunities (luck) happening: Meeting that perfect co-founder, stumbling onto a brilliant idea, finding the right investors, etc.
Then secondly, you have to practice to be open-minded enough to realise that when an opportunity actually arrives, you know it is one! You might seek and create opportunities as much you want, as most of it ends up being luck, but if you don't realise that luck, you've missed the boat.
The list is practically innumerable, but a particularly relevant pair: Trace Wax and Obie Fernandez. They took on a 17 year old intern with no web development experience outside of HTML/CSS, who could only work remotely, from out of state, for about 8 hours a week, trained him in Ruby on Rails through hours of pairing and paid for his trip to NYC to try working on site.
That experience has equipped me with what I've needed to land another internship, start freelance consulting work, win a major hackathon, and get accepted into a brilliant program. All because they took a chance on me.
I'm watching a brilliant, college age friend struggle through that initial "getting started" process in web development, and all I can think is: Thanks Trace, thanks Obie!
Edit: Also, thanks HN, for being the forum by which I found them! Though I'm still not sure that was the correct use of an AskHN thread (and I'm afraid to recommend the tactic to friends) it definitely helped me!
Why is it that people are so grateful to their first employers? These guys did nothing special, they just hired you. It is normal to hire inexperienced people and train them. One should be reasonably grateful for that but understand that employer also benefits from it (hi Captain Obvious). If a person is reasonably smart he/she will be able to produce useful work after a month of poking around. And being grateful for not being fired? Come on!
Be grateful to friends and lovers, not to governments and corporations.
I can understand this POV but I don't think it's the case every time. I feel grateful all the time because I was the only person hired in the tech dept that had no experience. Everyone else is either principle or has about 5-10 years experience. I've checked our job boards and the requirements involve standards I was no where near at the time. Yes they want to train you, but they want to train you because they believe in you as a person and what you can do...yes for them...but also for yourself. My boss isn't a cold dude, he's young, has tat sleeves, and was helped along the way by others...just like I am...minus the tats.
You are right that everyone's situation is different and it looks like your boss really went an extra mile for you. Did you share some common background with him, like went to the same school?
Keep in mind, though, that the situation when some (or all) current employees would not be hired under current job requirements for outside hires is more common than people think!
We did not, he actually give's me crap for my school (UT Austin) because he went to USC (look up Rose Bowl 2006). We did share common backgrounds. He went to school for creative writing and I went for Film. He was essentially given a chance at being a programmer and I'm assuming I've rec'd that same treatment.
Michael Robertson, founder of MP3.com, Lindows/Linspire, etc. I had been in the press for the release of PyMusique (open source client for the iTunes Music Store, which didn't apply DRM (it was done client-side, and in fact still is)) and he saw one of the articles. He sent me the following email:
> Cody,
> I really admire what you're doing. I am the founder and former CEO of MP3.com. I'm not anti-DRM, but I am pro-consumer. I recently launched MP3tunes.com, a MP3 only store which also includes a locker so you can sync to many devices. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. You might also be interested in MP3beamer. See: http://www.mp3beamer.com
> Keep up the good work.
> -- MR
I told him how much it meant to me to receive the email, and that the thing I really needed to continue the work was an IDA Pro license; I had one a few days later! Shortly thereafter, he contracted me to build hooks into iTunes to display the MP3tunes store, and other functionality like that. Flew me out to San Diego (my first time on a plane, from a tiny little farming town in the middle of nowhere in PA), took me to the deviantArt summit, etc. I can't overstate how important all this was to me.
He took a chance on me, and I ended up working my ass off for him for about two years before starting my own company and moving on. I was 17 -- I could've been a one-hit wonder, or I could've not fit with the team, or any number of other things. While MR and I are not on good terms these days, I owe my success in large part to him; for that I'll be forever grateful.
Awesome! He's great at responding to emails if you have an actual question/comment. While I don't agree with all of his politics, he has very interesting opinions that he shares on Twitter and in interviews. In terms of tech, he has great advice. His interviews on This Week in Startups and This Week in Venture Capital are some of my favorite episodes of both podcasts.
Someone took a chance on me recently... and I fucked it up. Long story short, I was given the best job in the world and I decided to take it for granted so I was fired. Taught me a lot about respect.
Mine is not a hiring story (though that's another story, since I was hired with just an English major), but a few months into my first job I asked my boss which of two different architectural approaches he thought I should take on a project, and he said, "I trust you." That really meant a lot to me.
I feel truly grateful for three people who took chances on me. I worked first in the film industry at Panavision with some of the top camera crews in the world because my boss (1) at the time believed in me. After that I decided software was a better future and a friend of mine (2) wanted me to work at the company he worked for...a digital agency. With no resume or cover level I got a job because my current boss (3) two years later believed in me. Now I'm here on HN, have a youtube channel teaching others, and just wrapped up an eight month enterprise website with a great team...and I'm going to buy a sports car this weekend! How big hearts in some people can make such a big difference in someone's life...forever grateful!
Interesting thread. I hope I can be nearly this lucky in the future. Can't tell you how many times in NYC I've been flat out told "we don't take chances on people." I understand and I certainly don't feel like my life has been stymied by lack of opportunity. But I'm definitely still looking for the first one that really clicks.
Noone has "taken a chance on me". I've had plenty of interviews, applications, resumes: you name it. Even went through the unemployment interview and resume courses. No real reason why. I can't even get a helpdesk position.
I've went back to school. I hope something pans out soon.
I had the same thing happen in the city I was in, no one was hiring programmers straight out of school, I got two phone interviews and that was it. Ended up losing a bet with my wife (That I could find a job in 3 months) and moving to Austria. Learned enough German to get a job (took about 5 months) and then found out they were desperate for software people here. I got two job offers in my first week of applying, I accepted one and have been with my firm for a year and a half now.
My colleague doesn't have a degree, the programmer I replaced also didn't have a degree. On the other side Austrian and German people see degrees as a rank and social status which means you will be generally respected more if you have a degree. Your starting salary will usually be higher as well if you have a degree.
Brian, who took a young student with no experience and took the chance for me to be a co-op. Securing that position revamped my entire view of what I do and has already opened doors.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 156 ms ] threadJust as important to getting the opportunities is taking advantage of them. If Bijan had never agreed to take part in Spark, this may never have happened. So kudos to him for taking the bull by its horns.
But there I was in Fairfax at my first real interview just a handful of days before graduation, nervous as hell. The business was document management and tax preparation web applications. My portfolio consisted of a single website I created to accompany my resume a week before this interview, with some made-up content about Herndon, deployed to a free webhost. I talked a good game about <table>-less CSS-driven layouts, accessibility, all the stuff his departing designer had been pushing for (thanks again, ALA).
The guy thought I was sharp and took a chance on me. He offered a small salary that seemed like a pot of gold to 18-year old me, and it was enough to be able to get my own place, not even with roommates. I was ecstatic, and I'll never forget the excitement of that summer.
In the rare event that you read Hacker News, thanks Arnold :^) ... Who knows where I'd be today if you hadn't taken that risk.
For a while I applied to jobs left and right. I have very little professional experience(marketing). I hoped for similar story; someone willing to give me a shot. It never happened. Instead, I changed my focus to growing my girlfriend's dog treat business(startup). In the end, I gave myself a shot.
1. In 1998, I was hired by the editor of the local newspaper to help maintain their new website. I was 14 at the time and my resume consisted of a couple of websites dedicated to Age of Empires.
2. In beginnig 2000, at the age of 15, I was hired on by a small dialup ISP for a tech support role. I was the first employee the founding group had hired. At first it was just an after-school job, but it turned into a full-time job a few years later. I can't even begin to describe how much I learned there over the years.
[1] http://jmathai.trovebox.com/p/5bk/tags-mathew,mary
[2] http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/fellows/jaisen-mathai/
[3] http://jmathai.trovebox.com/p/38f/tags-mathew,mary
(This is true not only due to people taking chances on others, but because people are born into situations that govern their capacity for success. Malcolm Gladwell demonstrates this wonderfully in Outliers, a book that has had a large impact on me and which I recommend to everyone I can. But I digress.)
It's actually somewhat disconcerting to consider.
I'm worried I'll fail and never know if I failed because I was unlucky, or because I just wasn't good enough. That's what makes me uncomfortable.
I get over it pretty quickly, but it's still unsettling, if only for a moment.
At first glance, his post reads like he had one lucky break after another after another, but I'm sure the road felt very shaky and uncertain along the way, and he doesn't mention any of his mistakes/failures and I'm sure he made several (it just wasn't the point of the post).
Max Levchin endured 3 failures early on, and then he had this chance encounter with Peter Thiel before founding PayPal: http://ecorner.stanford.edu/authorMaterialInfo.html?mid=1022
To me that means 2 things: seeking out and creating opportunities. Build stuff, meet people, take risks and chances. This increases the chances of opportunities (luck) happening: Meeting that perfect co-founder, stumbling onto a brilliant idea, finding the right investors, etc.
Then secondly, you have to practice to be open-minded enough to realise that when an opportunity actually arrives, you know it is one! You might seek and create opportunities as much you want, as most of it ends up being luck, but if you don't realise that luck, you've missed the boat.
That experience has equipped me with what I've needed to land another internship, start freelance consulting work, win a major hackathon, and get accepted into a brilliant program. All because they took a chance on me.
I'm watching a brilliant, college age friend struggle through that initial "getting started" process in web development, and all I can think is: Thanks Trace, thanks Obie!
Edit: Also, thanks HN, for being the forum by which I found them! Though I'm still not sure that was the correct use of an AskHN thread (and I'm afraid to recommend the tactic to friends) it definitely helped me!
Be grateful to friends and lovers, not to governments and corporations.
Keep in mind, though, that the situation when some (or all) current employees would not be hired under current job requirements for outside hires is more common than people think!
> Cody,
> I really admire what you're doing. I am the founder and former CEO of MP3.com. I'm not anti-DRM, but I am pro-consumer. I recently launched MP3tunes.com, a MP3 only store which also includes a locker so you can sync to many devices. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. You might also be interested in MP3beamer. See: http://www.mp3beamer.com
> Keep up the good work.
> -- MR
I told him how much it meant to me to receive the email, and that the thing I really needed to continue the work was an IDA Pro license; I had one a few days later! Shortly thereafter, he contracted me to build hooks into iTunes to display the MP3tunes store, and other functionality like that. Flew me out to San Diego (my first time on a plane, from a tiny little farming town in the middle of nowhere in PA), took me to the deviantArt summit, etc. I can't overstate how important all this was to me.
He took a chance on me, and I ended up working my ass off for him for about two years before starting my own company and moving on. I was 17 -- I could've been a one-hit wonder, or I could've not fit with the team, or any number of other things. While MR and I are not on good terms these days, I owe my success in large part to him; for that I'll be forever grateful.
I hope I can pay the favor forward some day.
https://medium.com/unforgettable-moments/36369a6063d1
I've went back to school. I hope something pans out soon.