OT: Sc2 made me a way faster programmer, no joke! Some people think they are fast bc they use keyboard shortcuts when they code, but playing sc2 will teach you what having a high apm is really all about.
that hinges on knowing what you're trying to do though right?
If Starcraft thought me to smush buttons super fast, that doesn't make it better than knowing which 11 buttons to hold down while typing my name in emacs to achieve the same result.
Are you saying it taught you to organise your actions better, or just how to press more buttons?
APM (actions per minute) and EPM (effective actions per minutre) both stem from the same thing; forcing yourself to think about your actions faster than you previous did.
Most sports codes endure, video games get superceded every few years. A professional athlete can coach the sport. There is a fairly high demand for professional sports players on the speaking circuit. There are product endorsements, I don't think video game stars are recognizeable enough to compete there. Finally, the top level earnigs for sports are so much higher.
Most professional sportsmen have a very limited career timeline anyway. There are SC2 pros who played SC1, who have now been earning a living from playing starcraft for 10 - 15 years.
There are many ex-top level players who do indeed get paid to coach for SC2 teams.
Many of the top players get 5000 to 7000 viewers every time they stream their games (which is often daily).
Top level earnings for a handful of sports are much higher, yes. But there are any number of sports where the best of the best earn far less than the top SC2 pros: http://sc2earnings.com/
If you want to invest 8mins into getting a real insight, I'd suggest watching the extended trailer of StarNation, a kickstarter funded doco about the SC2 pro scene which is coming out soon: http://blip.tv/day9tv/001-scii-community-launch-p1-starnatio...
>Many of the top players get 5000 to 7000 viewers every time they stream their games
That is not very much... it would take about 400 years of to get the audience for a single Wimbledon tennis match.
>Top level earnings for a handful of sports are much higher
Well - just how large is that handful? Off the top of my head, basketball, baseball, soccer, NFL football, golf, motor racing, hockey, rugby, cricket, tennis all have top earnings an order of magnitude higher.
But how about something more obscure... lets see... Australian Rules Football: highest paid player Gary Ablett Junior, US$ 2.0 million per year, EXCLUDING endorsements. Eh, lets go full retard: darts... wow, US$ 900,000 per year, that's prize money alone.
So I think my point that peak earnings in professional sports are higher than in video games stands, at least for the time being.
God might like this sport, though, unlike other ones. God made cheatahs and stuff. He yawns at humans. Actually, He said sports were kinda homo -- you can like things God doesn't. He might pay attention to battle, but let's not make this dark.
God says...
thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed
alway: 28:34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes
which thou shalt see.
28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a
sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the
top of thy head.
28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set
over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have
known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword,
among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
28:38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather
but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
----
It's hard to explain, but just enjoy God's company. It's not prophetic. My professional interpretation advice would be it was partly about hygene. That was an oddly personal comment, I kinda chuckled at.
The last line might have been a game reference. I don't know. You have to fuzzy fit them to the context.
----
I used to secretly wish for God to like war, just to be naughty. God said war was "servicemen competing". I laughed at that. Now, I don't really think about it -- I've matured. You probably want God to be naughty. Pretty quickly you learn to be careful what you wish for. That applies to a lot.
The Bible says there's a time for war and a time for peace. God wills it.
Boredom is the biggest challenge for the creator -- making humans live a full life without dying of boredom.
Teenage males play war video games. Just imagine if there had never been war.
A naughty person gets irrational and goes to the war extereme irrationally. War's not fun if you think about it. At least I don't see me wanting it, even if it were permissable. Money is a huge problem.
I probably should shut up, but God said war can cure unemployment. He clearly operates on a God level I don't want humans operating at.
God's favorite animal is bears, then elephants.
When male elephants get teenage, they go off on their own. They fight. I'm glad they don't fight to the death. Our God is not sick in heart. It puts in perspective how we might have excess males, if you're kind a philosophical. I get a relaxed God's-eye-view like an astronaut.
----
God! What's the main thing to know about war?
God says...
6:45 And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the
ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent
away the people.
6:46 And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to
pray.
6:47 And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and
he alone on the land.
6:48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto
them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them,
walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
6:49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had
been a spirit, and cried out: 6:50 For they all saw him, and were
troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be
of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.
----
On endangered species God said, "Enough stars?"
That's hilarious, but I don't want people getting crazy.
If the purpose of life is to know God, love God and obey God, a priest should try to get people to love God, as primary job. Is this too simple? I guess welcome to Heaven... am I doing something wrong?
-----
God says...
1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these,
saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 1:15
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly
among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly
com...
I'm not an e-sports fan, but there are plenty more monotonous jobs that people do for a living other than playing videogames. Is it silly? Maybe. Would I enjoy playing games for so long every day? Not really. Compared to watching "reality" contestants humiliate themselves to make a "brand name" for themselves, this is perfectly respectable.
As the others have replied, prize winnings, team salary (teams generate money from sponsorship deals and selling merch). Also TLO (like many pro's) streams his SC2 sessions via twitch.tv and generates ad revenue.
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 40.5 ms ] threadIf Starcraft thought me to smush buttons super fast, that doesn't make it better than knowing which 11 buttons to hold down while typing my name in emacs to achieve the same result.
Are you saying it taught you to organise your actions better, or just how to press more buttons?
APM (actions per minute) and EPM (effective actions per minutre) both stem from the same thing; forcing yourself to think about your actions faster than you previous did.
For me it is hard to imagine a less rewarding "career". What else has such a hard limit on growth potential?
There are many ex-top level players who do indeed get paid to coach for SC2 teams.
Many of the top players get 5000 to 7000 viewers every time they stream their games (which is often daily).
Top level earnings for a handful of sports are much higher, yes. But there are any number of sports where the best of the best earn far less than the top SC2 pros: http://sc2earnings.com/
If you want to invest 8mins into getting a real insight, I'd suggest watching the extended trailer of StarNation, a kickstarter funded doco about the SC2 pro scene which is coming out soon: http://blip.tv/day9tv/001-scii-community-launch-p1-starnatio...
>Many of the top players get 5000 to 7000 viewers every time they stream their games
That is not very much... it would take about 400 years of to get the audience for a single Wimbledon tennis match.
>Top level earnings for a handful of sports are much higher
Well - just how large is that handful? Off the top of my head, basketball, baseball, soccer, NFL football, golf, motor racing, hockey, rugby, cricket, tennis all have top earnings an order of magnitude higher.
But how about something more obscure... lets see... Australian Rules Football: highest paid player Gary Ablett Junior, US$ 2.0 million per year, EXCLUDING endorsements. Eh, lets go full retard: darts... wow, US$ 900,000 per year, that's prize money alone.
So I think my point that peak earnings in professional sports are higher than in video games stands, at least for the time being.
God might like this sport, though, unlike other ones. God made cheatahs and stuff. He yawns at humans. Actually, He said sports were kinda homo -- you can like things God doesn't. He might pay attention to battle, but let's not make this dark.
God says...
thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 28:34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
28:38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
----
It's hard to explain, but just enjoy God's company. It's not prophetic. My professional interpretation advice would be it was partly about hygene. That was an oddly personal comment, I kinda chuckled at.
The last line might have been a game reference. I don't know. You have to fuzzy fit them to the context.
----
I used to secretly wish for God to like war, just to be naughty. God said war was "servicemen competing". I laughed at that. Now, I don't really think about it -- I've matured. You probably want God to be naughty. Pretty quickly you learn to be careful what you wish for. That applies to a lot.
The Bible says there's a time for war and a time for peace. God wills it.
Boredom is the biggest challenge for the creator -- making humans live a full life without dying of boredom.
Teenage males play war video games. Just imagine if there had never been war.
A naughty person gets irrational and goes to the war extereme irrationally. War's not fun if you think about it. At least I don't see me wanting it, even if it were permissable. Money is a huge problem.
I probably should shut up, but God said war can cure unemployment. He clearly operates on a God level I don't want humans operating at.
God's favorite animal is bears, then elephants.
When male elephants get teenage, they go off on their own. They fight. I'm glad they don't fight to the death. Our God is not sick in heart. It puts in perspective how we might have excess males, if you're kind a philosophical. I get a relaxed God's-eye-view like an astronaut.
----
God! What's the main thing to know about war?
God says...
6:45 And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent away the people.
6:46 And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.
6:47 And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land.
6:48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
6:49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out: 6:50 For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.
----
On endangered species God said, "Enough stars?"
That's hilarious, but I don't want people getting crazy.
If the purpose of life is to know God, love God and obey God, a priest should try to get people to love God, as primary job. Is this too simple? I guess welcome to Heaven... am I doing something wrong?
-----
God says...
1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly com...