I think you are selling yourself short by comparing Sketchfab to About.me. About.me is a simple landing page to connect all your social networks so people can easily find you. Sketchfab is more of a personal portfolio for 3D Pros. By pushing the personal portfolio to the forefront, you can easily monetize Sketchfab.
Your site and product look great. But just a heads up, under the students section you put an extra l in eligible. The padding in your search bar is also off (at least in Safari) so Search is flush against the top instead of being centered.
I think you'll have a hard time getting traction unless you make these free for artists. I'd investigate other business models. Perhaps you could come up with a way to charge recruiters for browsing the portfolios? Perhaps an affiliate recruiting program where you get a kickback for every artist they find on your site would work.
As long as it it offers support, good hosting, and easy to use interface.
Artists don't even need a lot of bells or whistles. Some customization can go a long way. May want a place to show of their work without a lot of distraction from vendor promotions or advertisements.
So, go for it, charge for your service... although is $7 a month to pay for the service and give yourself/staff/etc a salary?
Is this the kind of portfolio an artist would pay for? I'm skeptical of this. I know about 9 artists who have recently graduated and are doing small shows, oddjobs, or freelance design (looks hard). All of them have created an online presence and none of them have payed much (if anything) for it. Some learned to program themselves, others put stuff up with templates or on free portfolio sites. They're all quite poor. So that's a data point.
I do know one more established artist (prof. at USC) who recently paid for a site, but I don't think she'd have been happy with something that wasn't totally custom.
Another direction to go in with this is to create a marketplace like Etsy for 3D models. You could host portfolios for free and take a cut of transactions.
I'm very interested to know how signups are going.
The complete result of 3D art is the rendering, not the model. 3D artists put images in their portfolios. Not to say they might not want to share the models too, but in that case, it's more of a "source" of the work, not a complete work which you want to showcase in a portfolio. A single rendering might consist of a hundreds of models, too.
For game artists or print-3D, showcasing the model itself is more relevant.
My suggestion is to allow renderings / videos too if you want it to be a complete portfolio solution for a 3D artist. Then, let them share models, texture shots, etc. related to the rendering.
> The complete result of 3D art is the rendering, not the model.
Well, yeah, but who was talking about 3D art?
What you are saying is exactly what annoys me about most existing sites where people share and/or present their 3D models: They are all primarily used by 3D artists. Even GrabCAD which is supposedly "from engineers for engineers" is full of 3D art which is more or less useless for any purpose other than visualization (I think this is because the internet is the natural place for the rendered picture to be used, while the natural place for the solid model might be a workshop or an FEM simulation software).
Don't forget that besides visualization, solid models are also used in fabrication, simulation, mechanical prototyping, etc! I for one welcome that somebody tries to offer a platform not geared towards 3D visualization but just models.
I don't see many new models since I last checked the site a few months back. Traction?
The problem is probably that most good 3d modelers do not need your service. So why would they register? And even pay for it? What'd their incentive be?
One would be that they can earn extra by selling models on your site. But there is Turbosquid & co already doing this since over a decade.
There's a chicken-egg issue here: how do you get people to go to the website with their CC ready to buy stuff from the few artists who will have registered by then? You probably don't.
The short version is that very likely, displaying 3D models in a web browser, even if interactively, and even if everything is looking really sexy, as it does on your site, is not a viable business model per se. :)
Most 3d models are used in desktop apps, not on the web (even if they end up on the web at some stage, much later).
And what Turbosquid & co haven't got is a direct channel for the stuff on their website into the content creation apps.
So that is where you can get leverage. Write plugins for Maya, Max, XSI, Modo, Houdini, etc. that allow browsing and loading models live into the app. As this is quite a task, the order of developing the plugins should strictly be by market share of these apps.
Then you need lots of free high quality models as an incentive for people to install these plugins.
I would just skim all stuff available online, categorize it and put the best into your catalog.
That will get you traction on the customer site ("customer" here refers to people willing to buy models from the artists who register on your site) and then, as a result of that, you will really get artists to consider opening a portfolio on your site (and maybe, even pay for that). You could then also think about a business model that is purely based on taking a % of the sales of an artist, instead of a fixed, monthly price.
The plugin would also allow inspecting models directly inside the app. If the model is paid content, the plugin would only load 50% of the geometry until the model is paid for. This is still plenty to assess quality.
Basically, get people to make the plugins part of their everyday workflow, then you will get them to consider taking their CC cards out if they need to load an asset that is paid content.
And here is a really cool feature that becomes possible through the plugins: allow the artist to push updates of the models to the client who bought the right to use it, right into the desktop app. Basically if I buy a model and I need a slightly modified version and the artist agrees to do it, they can do it live.
Then you can even offer billing by the hour and take crop. etc.
Plus you give people in need of models a direct line to artists. Most of the time when you quickly need a model, it is something specific. Even if you have the money, you need to find someone who does it at the quality you require and matching the style/art direction you got from your own client.
How nice would it be if one can put a placeholder bounding box in their 3d scene, attach a description of what they need in there to it (plus maybe some Dropbox links with art direction/images) put a price out they are willing to pay and go to sleep. When they open the app the next day they may already have some rough models from some artists who are bidding on it to cycle through, right in their 3d scene.
Check out what designcrowd and similar websites offer for 2D. There's nothing really like this for 3D. And the plugins will ensure no one can copy your business model easily (or quickly).
On the site (and inside the plugins) you could offer a variety of services that could be up-sold on top of the base price of the model (and the net go straight into your pocket). Some ideas:
- Automatically check models for manifold topology, mark models as non-manifold if they are or allow fixing on the fly.
- Conversion.
-- An artist may upload a high detail NURBs model of a car but a client needs a meshed polygonal version. You could do the meshing on-the-fly, ...
"The problem is probably that most good 3d modelers do not need your service."
How so? Don't 3D modelers need a platform to show their work just like graphic artists?
There is totally a place for this on the web, just because you use 3D models on the desktop doesn't mean they dont belong on the web in interactive form.
Have you ever been on a 3D modelling community site? There are amazing models, but you have to ask to download another artists work to really see it, and they likely wont give it to you. Imagine if all those artists (yes there are thousands of them) were given a platform to share their work in 3D??
This is such a good critique. As someone who's done a bit of architectural rendering, I think pivoting to selling models inside of the big name 3D apps would be very profitable.
I can imagine the plugin actually inserting the model you're considering buying into your scene with some light weight DRM and one click purchasing. Good stuff.
As a 3D artist myself, I specialise in environmental art, texturing and props. Sketchfab has been a fantastic way for me to show off my models and assets. It is useful for people like me. When an employer has viewed my portfolio, they have always commented on its use - and how interesting it is rather than rendering out beauty shots in marmoset or wireframes.
I think over time this service will evolve into something greater, but this new portfolio feature will be very handy for people like myself so I'm more than happy to use the service.
And from what I've seen over the last few months - there have been plenty of new models posted up. I follow them on Facebook so I see when they 'staff pick' something.
The iWatch is 200+ tris so takes a long time to load anyways. WebGL/3D is around where mobile 3d is, safe range is up to 140-160k but for older really under 100k total per frame is needed to perform/load reasonably well. For mobile if you can stay below 60-80k you don't have mesh loading issues.
Hint to artists, low poly is in and will be for a long time again due to web and mobile games. 2k for a game character is fat, 1k is usable for many enemies to be drawn at once per frame. Show off your skills but also show off for the markets you target, gaming is still low poly in web + mobile.
As someone that has a 3D portfolio, I think it is priced too high. But I'm not a modeler either, for game artists it could be quite nice. But I'd be somewhat afraid of people somehow nicking my vertices.
Sketchfab has an amazing 3D viewer technology but I think you completely miss the point on what this technology is useful for. 3D content on the web won't be generated through manual uploads by designers. It will be (and already is) generated on servers from user inputs into customization tools and/or from large amounts of data. For example, I have a website where users can create custom 3D topographical models on the fly and I would love to offer them a slick viewer like Sketchfab's instead of my own attempts at WebGL. But I am not going to upload the models to Sketchfab's server and blow through your ridiculously low storage limit. For $15 a month I could store a total of ~70 models. Considering that every user interaction generates a new model on the fly, that wouldn't even get me through one session by one user! Even more so because I can have a not quite as polished but free 3D viewer that is fully customizable and hackable from other places, take for example Sculpteo's: http://www.sculpteo.com/en/developer/webapi/embed/viewer/
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Artists don't even need a lot of bells or whistles. Some customization can go a long way. May want a place to show of their work without a lot of distraction from vendor promotions or advertisements.
So, go for it, charge for your service... although is $7 a month to pay for the service and give yourself/staff/etc a salary?
Is this the kind of portfolio an artist would pay for? I'm skeptical of this. I know about 9 artists who have recently graduated and are doing small shows, oddjobs, or freelance design (looks hard). All of them have created an online presence and none of them have payed much (if anything) for it. Some learned to program themselves, others put stuff up with templates or on free portfolio sites. They're all quite poor. So that's a data point.
I do know one more established artist (prof. at USC) who recently paid for a site, but I don't think she'd have been happy with something that wasn't totally custom.
Another direction to go in with this is to create a marketplace like Etsy for 3D models. You could host portfolios for free and take a cut of transactions.
I'm very interested to know how signups are going.
For game artists or print-3D, showcasing the model itself is more relevant.
My suggestion is to allow renderings / videos too if you want it to be a complete portfolio solution for a 3D artist. Then, let them share models, texture shots, etc. related to the rendering.
Well, yeah, but who was talking about 3D art?
What you are saying is exactly what annoys me about most existing sites where people share and/or present their 3D models: They are all primarily used by 3D artists. Even GrabCAD which is supposedly "from engineers for engineers" is full of 3D art which is more or less useless for any purpose other than visualization (I think this is because the internet is the natural place for the rendered picture to be used, while the natural place for the solid model might be a workshop or an FEM simulation software).
Don't forget that besides visualization, solid models are also used in fabrication, simulation, mechanical prototyping, etc! I for one welcome that somebody tries to offer a platform not geared towards 3D visualization but just models.
The problem is probably that most good 3d modelers do not need your service. So why would they register? And even pay for it? What'd their incentive be? One would be that they can earn extra by selling models on your site. But there is Turbosquid & co already doing this since over a decade.
There's a chicken-egg issue here: how do you get people to go to the website with their CC ready to buy stuff from the few artists who will have registered by then? You probably don't.
The short version is that very likely, displaying 3D models in a web browser, even if interactively, and even if everything is looking really sexy, as it does on your site, is not a viable business model per se. :)
Most 3d models are used in desktop apps, not on the web (even if they end up on the web at some stage, much later). And what Turbosquid & co haven't got is a direct channel for the stuff on their website into the content creation apps.
So that is where you can get leverage. Write plugins for Maya, Max, XSI, Modo, Houdini, etc. that allow browsing and loading models live into the app. As this is quite a task, the order of developing the plugins should strictly be by market share of these apps.
Then you need lots of free high quality models as an incentive for people to install these plugins. I would just skim all stuff available online, categorize it and put the best into your catalog.
That will get you traction on the customer site ("customer" here refers to people willing to buy models from the artists who register on your site) and then, as a result of that, you will really get artists to consider opening a portfolio on your site (and maybe, even pay for that). You could then also think about a business model that is purely based on taking a % of the sales of an artist, instead of a fixed, monthly price.
The plugin would also allow inspecting models directly inside the app. If the model is paid content, the plugin would only load 50% of the geometry until the model is paid for. This is still plenty to assess quality.
Basically, get people to make the plugins part of their everyday workflow, then you will get them to consider taking their CC cards out if they need to load an asset that is paid content.
And here is a really cool feature that becomes possible through the plugins: allow the artist to push updates of the models to the client who bought the right to use it, right into the desktop app. Basically if I buy a model and I need a slightly modified version and the artist agrees to do it, they can do it live. Then you can even offer billing by the hour and take crop. etc.
Plus you give people in need of models a direct line to artists. Most of the time when you quickly need a model, it is something specific. Even if you have the money, you need to find someone who does it at the quality you require and matching the style/art direction you got from your own client. How nice would it be if one can put a placeholder bounding box in their 3d scene, attach a description of what they need in there to it (plus maybe some Dropbox links with art direction/images) put a price out they are willing to pay and go to sleep. When they open the app the next day they may already have some rough models from some artists who are bidding on it to cycle through, right in their 3d scene.
Check out what designcrowd and similar websites offer for 2D. There's nothing really like this for 3D. And the plugins will ensure no one can copy your business model easily (or quickly).
On the site (and inside the plugins) you could offer a variety of services that could be up-sold on top of the base price of the model (and the net go straight into your pocket). Some ideas:
- Automatically check models for manifold topology, mark models as non-manifold if they are or allow fixing on the fly.
- Conversion.
-- An artist may upload a high detail NURBs model of a car but a client needs a meshed polygonal version. You could do the meshing on-the-fly, ...
How so? Don't 3D modelers need a platform to show their work just like graphic artists?
There is totally a place for this on the web, just because you use 3D models on the desktop doesn't mean they dont belong on the web in interactive form.
Have you ever been on a 3D modelling community site? There are amazing models, but you have to ask to download another artists work to really see it, and they likely wont give it to you. Imagine if all those artists (yes there are thousands of them) were given a platform to share their work in 3D??
I can imagine the plugin actually inserting the model you're considering buying into your scene with some light weight DRM and one click purchasing. Good stuff.
Great writeup.
I think over time this service will evolve into something greater, but this new portfolio feature will be very handy for people like myself so I'm more than happy to use the service.
And from what I've seen over the last few months - there have been plenty of new models posted up. I follow them on Facebook so I see when they 'staff pick' something.
Hint to artists, low poly is in and will be for a long time again due to web and mobile games. 2k for a game character is fat, 1k is usable for many enemies to be drawn at once per frame. Show off your skills but also show off for the markets you target, gaming is still low poly in web + mobile.