Ask HN: Why do you care about privacy?

5 points by nbashaw ↗ HN
In light of recent events, I thought it might be useful to start a conversation about the trade-offs between privacy and security. It's easy to see the consequences of a terrorist attack, but the implications of losing our privacy/civil liberties are a bit more subtle. Why do you care?

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Hey guys, let me tell you a little story ... I'm somehow what your government is calling a "terrorist" ... I didn't yet kill anyone but I do a lot of drug related stuff, fake ID and paper, hacking, money laundry and I already spend time in prison as very dangerous but not for one from the above. I did participate at demonstration similar to the one in Istanbul and I have over 18 complain against me for insulting, threaten and sometimes extreme violence against the police. That's why I spend time in prison and probably I will do again as I have already fabricated files at the judge table.

This Prism scandal is somehow numbs me. What good does it have if people like me and many others like me walk free and do, with the help of corrupted people from the government, many more other criminal things? Absolute none. I don't use phones, I do not have a job (obviously), I do not use social media "spying" sites, credit card, real ID or other crazy stuff like donating blood or something.

I'm a real free man.

The Prism software will never catch me even if I use my real email cause I speak in thief's slang, I do hacking related things from free internet points, I never use credit card, only cash and I'm really loved for that, I do not eat meat packed with hormones that can bring me to hospitals or other genetically engineered food, I do practice yoga and listen good music. I'm a very happy "criminal"

You on the other hand are very NAIVE. It is a very soft word for what you are. The Prism is really a tool for more inside corruption, more control over YOUR LIFE, not mine, more money laundry, more power excess, more real and dangerous crime as in people killed for they belief and probably "wrong" invention or other related whistle blowing scandal's. There is nothing in this software related to criminal activities, only control. It cannot be really, thief's know how to speak and how to live but I assume there is a small segment of people that gone bad and do lame things like stole a bike in from of the street camera. That is because they probably need money for food or shelter for their kids. And you have to ask yourself why this draconian control over YOUR life?

The answer is very simple. Cause they want you to fail so they can justify and steal the billion dollars budget. It is YOU who fail and start think in wrong terms after all this pressure from work, home, media and society. It is you who are blind and very naive about the true meaning of their "democracy". There is nothing special about so called criminal and terrorist - they just want their freedom and life back from the corruption - that's really all. Everything else is just government bull, please excuse my language.

It's not so much that I care about privacy. My life is relatively boring. I subscribe to all sorts of services that help me get metrics on my life, at the expense of privacy.

In 2001, after 2,996 people were killed in a horrific attack, we got the Patriot Act. There were lots of people decrying "This will not end well" and others shaking their fingers and saying "Oh, that's a slippery slope argument". Well, now we know just how slippery.

One time in an airport, I was opting out of the scanner, and the TSA agent made a joke about how I obviously must "know the drill." Playing off his joke, I said "Oh yes, I've been groped before." This led to me being detained for 30 minutes to have 10 different people ask me the same 5 or 6 questions (it wasn't a "go to this back room" thing; it all happened in the open).

What jokes can I not tell my friend in a text message now?

If history has taught us anything, it is that at some point, no matter what society or period in time, someone will come along who has outwardly evil intentions and claim power. The less information they can obtain on any individual the better. While I do not think what is currently happening has evil intentions behind it (I think it is fear/money based), I'd rather not take any chances.