I tried P vs. NP, NP-complete, NP-completeness, and NP complete. IIRC, It only realized that the last one was in the field of computational complexity.
I was able to get the results of a single query, "our solar system" in extensive detail. Trying another query redirected to a "launching May 2009", after which pressing back landed me on a working search field, but mostly with not found results.
I'm completely underwhelmed. Chalk it up to hype I guess.
I couldn't get anything for "Most popular names in 2008," and when I clicked the "Examples" tab and clicked Socioeconomic Data->Countries and used its default of France, it gave me three pieces of info (country code, full name and something else) and apparently tried to load some kind of information underneath, but it never happened.
Maybe it's because it's launch day.
Edit: Here's another thing that bothers me. It doesn't give you the source of its info. So when I click "Names" and have it give me info on a specific name, when it tells me it's the 8th most popular (in 2007, nicely outdated), I'd like to know how it deduces that rather than take it as fact.
Interestingly, there's a "Source information »" link at the bottom that doesn't work.
Think I'll stick with well-crafted Google queries and more primary sources.
I wouldn't overestimate them either. Intelligence isn't as much a factor in the fruition of this as ambition. Wolfram is more on the level of Sergey Brin and Larry Page than the people that work for them, ambition-wise.
There are lots of easy things that Google hasn't done. Some easy things aren't all that useful. I'm sure Google could beef up its calculator, but would that help them in any significant way? Probably not.
this is probably only useful to someone doing math stuff, anyone else its more or less completely useless
Some of the other examples posted as comments here look useful in disciplines outside math. I just put in a hairy system of two equations in two unknowns[1] made up randomly by my students, so that none of the coefficients or constants were preselected for easy computation. Alpha calculated the exact rational number solution set for x and y right away. Alas, the export results to .PDF link wasn't working just now, but that would be a cool feature for teaching my math class.
[1] 7672x+1357y=3, 63/8659x+1862y=5672
x = -9514160366/17670859355, y = 53828777381/17670859355
Both "NYSE 1950-2008" and "Nasdaq 1960-2008" gave me incorrect values for the stock exchange volumes. Instead, the results were NYSE Euronext and Nasdaq OCX, respectively.
Fortunately for Woz, he probably didn't have all the hype in the world surrounding his product. Wolfrom might be an interesting experiment, but all of the Google-killer talk might make it into more of a Cuil.
But did we really expect this to be a "Google killer"? Nahh...
My problem is that even when compared to the pitch made in the demo, even as a tool for simply data retrieval, it seems to fail.
us debt / us population / us life expectancy in days
What does that mean, to you, in everyday language? I see what WolframAlpha did with that, but what is the implication of that answer for a real-world concern?
It definitely still has a long way to go. For example, it cannot understand area Pittsburgh / area Kanazawa or population density Pittsburgh / population density Kanazawa which seems less complex than the above queries. Alpha is, however, aware of the populations of each city.
So there's a small bug when you look at France. Also, it took trial and error to get a query that actually worked. (ex: comparing debt / pop / LE between multiple countries instead of debt / pop leads to more bugs)
Many news sites (e.g., TechCrunch) have been hyping WolframAlpha as a threat to Google, and it's natural that people are trying Google-style search queries. However, looking at the examples at the site (http://www.wolframalpha.com/examples ), it's clearly not intended as a direct competitor to Google, and it's not at all surprising that it doesn't perform so well on the Google-style queries people are trying. My first take is that it's more like learning Mathematica: you need to learn how to ask it the right sorts of questions, and the examples look like a useful way of learning to do that.
No doubt many of the news outlets who've been hyping WolframAlpha as a competitor to Google will now denounce it as having failed, when it wasn't meant as a competitor at all. It's the news sites which have failed.
As mathematical queries give by far the most impressive results, this is essentially just a very elaborate advertisement for Mathematica -- just as NKS was.
A New Kind of Science--it's a new scientific philosophy championed by Wolfram, and also the title of his book on the subject. A couple informational URLs:
Mathematical queries aren't the most impressive results because those have already been around in things like mathematic/maple/matlab for years. Symbolic integration is cool, but typing in ISS, and getting the current position of the international space station is cooler.
This was also my first impression here. Try to compare things, it works beautifully!
-> http://tinyurl.com/qevs58
yes, it works also with "mars earth" but commands are way cooler :)
I just followed your link for the Mars to Earth comparison, and noticed a cool detail: it reported the current sky position for Mars for MY location, which I assume means that I.P. detection is being used to geographically customize answers. That is useful.
I'm not so sure the blame falls entirely on the news sites. As I've watched a seemingly unnatural amount of attention fall upon an unreleased product over the past few weeks I've come to the conclusion that we're being led around by Wolfram's PR firm. If that's the case and they were using 'google-killer' to pick up buzz, I think Wolfram deserves to fall on its face.
(That's not to say it's not an interesting product).
Because newspapers never misquote people or take things out of context. :)
Did it quote Stephen Wolfram as having said that, or just Wolfram? In fact, another source quotes Conrad Wolfram, who is apparently Stephen's brother, as having said that:
WolframAlpha is Not threat to Google it just have different target of people. It's more like online scientific encyclopedia + can preform complex math calculation.
I'm sorry but I see no connection between my results and the ones in the demo. I'm tempted to go back and mimic the queries from the demo.
It fails to retrieve simple data, let alone conduct computations with it. Could not find the minimum wage in my state. Could not retrieve average income. Basic CIA Factbook stuff...
I am very surprised with how it can intelligently generate forms based on a question. For example, the search "Am I too drunk to drive?" (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Am+I+too+drunk+to+drive...) generates a form where you can input various variables to answer the question.
So bookmark the query. Filling out a form is a lot easier to do while drunk than driving safely. Your fingers may have trouble hitting the keys correctly, but surely your brain remains usable?
Need more than one example to call it intelligent. I tried "Am I mentally retarded?" (IQ test?), "Am I at risk for cancer?" (risk factor questionaire?), "Am I at risk for lung cancer?", "Do cigarettes cause cancer?" all without ANY results. Help me out here, what kinds of questions is it smart about?
Obviously it isn't a competitor for Google search, or any other web search, but it might be a competitor for similar products being developed by those companies.
For that reason a search company may want to acquire them either before they get too big and expensive, or to prevent a competitor from performing an instant catch-up in this market by buying instead of developing.
Therefore, I was wondering what the market cap was of Wolfram Research, since they aren't exactly a small, pre-profit startup.
This isn't a complaint about a lack of data, since that can be updated after the preview feedback allows them to adjust the more important technology; I just enjoyed the irony of it having no information about Wolfram Alpha LLC, and only providing some useless web traffic stats for wolfram.com when asked about Wolfram Research.
It's not necessarily stupid. Right now, Wolfram Alpha is being hit from everybody that follows tech news, and so it's taking a huge load of hits. The delayed loading doesn't come from the images: look at the page as it loads and you'll see that the longest delays are coming not from the process of loading the image but from performing all the necessary calculations in the background. That's the slow part.
"Infuriatingly" is a bit of a harsh descriptor, don't you think? There are a few things that make text better than images online, and loading time is rarely one of the factors. The first issue is indexing - but Wolfram Alpha's results are so specific to the question asked that there's not much being lost if they're worrying only about providing a useful service and not one that Google hits on. The second issue is interactivity - but they provide easily copied text, so they're taking care of that one. (That may help indexing as well.)
Meanwhile, providing information as images means no time fiddling with style on their part, and it means I can very easily transfer their generated image for use online or in files and have it look nice.
'Designery'? Do you mean, 'Styling that accurately and attractively shows the relationship between various pieces of text and their various importances'?
I was able to copy-and-paste from the result I got (as related in another reply in this thread), so I have no complaints about the format of the answers. If the answers hid the textual part of the answer so much that it couldn't be copied-and-pasted (as I frequently find in addresses on websites of businesses), I would be annoyed, but I can deal with Alpha as it now is.
I think it might be because the output comes from Mathematica's engine, and the best way to render various formulas, tables, charts, etc. is to just use the same graphical output.
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Until then, it's useless :-P
That's the first thing he though of too, apparently.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=p+%3D+n+p
Input: Virginia Tech
Results: Wolfram Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
What is this?! Amateur Hour!
It did manage to find Georgia Tech http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Georgia+Tech&asynch... (Even where I'm going next year, Emory University, is there...)
:P
But no impressive details or analysis for any schools. 'Tis all rather disappointing.
I guess it needs more Google-style knowledge to accurately parse more queries.
I couldn't get anything for "Most popular names in 2008," and when I clicked the "Examples" tab and clicked Socioeconomic Data->Countries and used its default of France, it gave me three pieces of info (country code, full name and something else) and apparently tried to load some kind of information underneath, but it never happened.
Maybe it's because it's launch day.
Edit: Here's another thing that bothers me. It doesn't give you the source of its info. So when I click "Names" and have it give me info on a specific name, when it tells me it's the 8th most popular (in 2007, nicely outdated), I'd like to know how it deduces that rather than take it as fact.
Interestingly, there's a "Source information »" link at the bottom that doesn't work.
Think I'll stick with well-crafted Google queries and more primary sources.
Based on the bad results, I can see that this is probably only useful to someone doing math stuff, anyone else its more or less completely useless
Some of the other examples posted as comments here look useful in disciplines outside math. I just put in a hairy system of two equations in two unknowns[1] made up randomly by my students, so that none of the coefficients or constants were preselected for easy computation. Alpha calculated the exact rational number solution set for x and y right away. Alas, the export results to .PDF link wasn't working just now, but that would be a cool feature for teaching my math class.
[1] 7672x+1357y=3, 63/8659x+1862y=5672
x = -9514160366/17670859355, y = 53828777381/17670859355
For example, these nifty queries:
us debt / us population / us life expectancy in days
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=us+debt+%2F+us+populati...
and
(MSFT net income / MSFT employees)
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28MSFT+net+income+%2F+...
What does that mean, to you, in everyday language? I see what WolframAlpha did with that, but what is the implication of that answer for a real-world concern?
Except, you know, it isn't.
Even then, you'd need to have some objective value of worth to understand what $0.92 means. Right now, it only measures the value of the dollar. :-/
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=debt+%2F+pop++japan%2C+...
So there's a small bug when you look at France. Also, it took trial and error to get a query that actually worked. (ex: comparing debt / pop / LE between multiple countries instead of debt / pop leads to more bugs)
No doubt many of the news outlets who've been hyping WolframAlpha as a competitor to Google will now denounce it as having failed, when it wasn't meant as a competitor at all. It's the news sites which have failed.
http://www.wolframscience.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_kind_of_science
Yeah, the screencast a couple days ago mentioned this. They use it for more mundane stuff, too - like guessing which Springfield you mean.
(That's not to say it's not an interesting product).
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=9999999999999999-100...
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=9999999999999999-100000...
I don't think it's the news outlets fault if the founder is making outlandish claims.
Did it quote Stephen Wolfram as having said that, or just Wolfram? In fact, another source quotes Conrad Wolfram, who is apparently Stephen's brother, as having said that:
http://current.com/items/90053264_googles-search-engine-riva...
It correctly parsed my query, but didn't have the data.
Google gives an answer (8.4%) but it doesn't come from trustworthy sources.
EDIT: "first prime greater than 1000000" gives 1,000,003.
It fails to retrieve simple data, let alone conduct computations with it. Could not find the minimum wage in my state. Could not retrieve average income. Basic CIA Factbook stuff...
Edit: Still, interesting.
How does it know I'm going to keep drinking? Probably because it's only 9pm...
For that reason a search company may want to acquire them either before they get too big and expensive, or to prevent a competitor from performing an instant catch-up in this market by buying instead of developing.
Therefore, I was wondering what the market cap was of Wolfram Research, since they aren't exactly a small, pre-profit startup.
This isn't a complaint about a lack of data, since that can be updated after the preview feedback allows them to adjust the more important technology; I just enjoyed the irony of it having no information about Wolfram Alpha LLC, and only providing some useless web traffic stats for wolfram.com when asked about Wolfram Research.
Especially when there's a FOUC -- perfectly nice plain text is replaced with gross slowly-loading images.
"Infuriatingly" is a bit of a harsh descriptor, don't you think? There are a few things that make text better than images online, and loading time is rarely one of the factors. The first issue is indexing - but Wolfram Alpha's results are so specific to the question asked that there's not much being lost if they're worrying only about providing a useful service and not one that Google hits on. The second issue is interactivity - but they provide easily copied text, so they're taking care of that one. (That may help indexing as well.)
Meanwhile, providing information as images means no time fiddling with style on their part, and it means I can very easily transfer their generated image for use online or in files and have it look nice.
'Designery'? Do you mean, 'Styling that accurately and attractively shows the relationship between various pieces of text and their various importances'?
This is bad for both accessibility and readability.
http://www.wolfram.com/broadcast/wolframalpha/
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+the+airspeed+ve...
But it doesn't know "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?"