Computer nerds showing off. The question asker's concern is valid. It's a very difficult process to become properly speedy at using vi. There's a huge cognitive cost involved in memorizing all those keyboard commands.
If you're a programmer you have lots of time and motivation to learn your tools. Even IDE users learn the hotkeys, and they're no easier to learn than vim commands.
I think they are easier for most people. We've been conditioned to using C-C, C-X, C-V, etc for editing, with C-arrow for faster movement, etc, from apps like Word for many years, so that is already relatively familiar. So, learning editor shortcuts are often just layered on top of that.
In contrast, using emacs (which I have likely outed myself as a user of, via my above notation ;)) or vi require you to be more mindful (at first) of what you are doing while editing text. Both tools are likely to be frustrating if you don't think of things in a way that matches the worldview that each was built with.
If I'm not mistaken, C-C, C-X, C-V came from windows, or maybe DOS. A lot of Unix editors are older than that, so you can't blame them for not using those.
To be a programmer, you have to learn a programming language. Learning an editor is easier than that. A lot of programmers probably don't invest the time to learn an editor, but it not much time in the long run, and it's worth learning your tools.
I continue to be annoyed by the growing popularity of the word "grok". It is synonymous with well understood (ha.) words, but for some reasons, techies and sci-fi junkies seem to prefer a word only they know.
What? The Jargon File lists it, and it is different from "understanding" to the point where "understanding" is further qualified in the definition. It came from 'Stranger in a Strange Land'.
Have you read "Stranger in a Strange Land"? The word originates there, and has a more nuanced meaning than just "understand". The book is strange and interesting. I didn't pick it up until I'd read (and enjoyed) other of Heinlein's stuff, and after I'd read about the word in the Jargon File. I had always thought of it as a synonym of "understand", when in reality it is more like a superset. As a nerd and an appreciator of language, I am very glad that I read the book and understand the word better, as it really is an interesting idea.
It's as big of a difference as speaking German with an accent is from being fluent (along with thinking and dreaming in the language). Understanding "grok" is like understanding the German concept of "friend"-vs-"acquaintance" and thinking about your own friends in the same way, rather than our American way of "everyone's my friend". (In German culture, most people -- coworkers, teammates, etc -- are not __friends__. They're people you know, and maybe know well, but "friend" is much more similar to an American's concept of a "best friend", or group thereof. (I have about three.)
... none of that explains what "grok" means as well as reading the book. Wikipedia [1] doesn't quite even cover it, but has a good collection of newer uses of it that help.
In the case of this article, "grok" is entirely appropriate. It might even be the best word. As a user, I can figure out commands in vim, I can use a cheat sheet, but until I start thinking about using the tool in a way which fully embraces the tool in the way it was meant to be used (e.g., verbs + marks), I'll always be a poor and dissatisfied user.
I suppose I don't use enough of Vim's namesake improvements; I don't know if I have ever found myself using anything outside of standard vi functionality.
That being said, I do feel gimped in other editors without vi(m) commands. Most editors do have vim modes, but it doesn't quite feel the same.
It doesn't "feel the same" because it (almost always) isn't--at all. Editors with "vim" modes generally boil down to "you can enable vim-like keyboard shortcuts for the thing that this editor can do." The key problem is that the power of vim isn't the keybindings; it's the grammar system to which those bindings apply. Other editors lack vim's text objects and, as such, the "nouns and verbs" metaphors can't really apply.
Really learning to use vim effectively involves learning to think about text differently. It's about training your mind to think in terms of text objects and exploring the various ways to manipulate those objects.
The truth is that "vim mode" generally boils down to using h,j,k,l in lieu of arrow keys and a token nod to the idea of normal mode vs. command mode.
But, honestly, that's ok. Vim exists--why do I need another editor to behave like vim?
Fun fact: most of the commands in Sublime's vintage mode are direct API calls. Sublime's text-manipulation engine is more powerful than what is exposed to the user via the usual Ctrl+Alt+Shift+key combos and its WIMP UI and activating vintage mode is the only way to use all of that power.
Is there a reason why a simple visual editor such as notepad++ cannot be used via the terminal (e.g., for Linux administration)? I'm trying to do some LAMP related server administration using vi and I cannot believe how many weird commands one has to learn to do simple text editor functions. It's also probably a hugely intimidating factor that prevents more newbies from moving to Linux.
There are plenty... nano/pico/joe if you want to work in the terminal (though who is trying to woo newbies with terminal based text editors?), and gedit/kate/kwrite in the GUI department. The idea that Linux is somehow floundering because only Vi and Emacs exist and those are difficult is absurd.
Perhaps the real question is do we want to attract more newbies? Why do we want to attract newbies? If more non-technical users are the solution to our problems, then why is Android (with their legions of newbies) such an absolute shitfest compared to traditional Linux distros?
Notepad++ isn't a terminal program. There are other terminal-based editors on Linux besides vim and emacs that have easier learning curves like pico and joe.
Linux sysadmin here - although I use vi for almost everything on the terminal, I still consider Notepad++ a "killer app" for Windows. It perplexes me that in all this time I have not been able to find anything comparable for Linux.
Games and Notepad++ are the only real reasons I have had for using Windows on my desktop instead of Linux.
I feel like this has been posted 100 times on here and /r/programming. Anyways, if you don't know vim, I wouldn't waste your time learning. It is a better way of editing text than chord based editors, but ide's are much nicer tools for development. And if you're using one, there's going to be significant mousing around anyways, and none of emulation modes are that great for the non text editing/navigation stuff.
Don't get me wrong, ide's are terrible, they're just better than anything else we have right now. And I'm someone who has programmed with vim and plugins, bash and friends, etc. for 10+ years, so it's not like I've only used ide's. Writing code can be fine with the more minimalist approach, but ide's are much better for reading and navigating previously written code.
> Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does.
Eh, I used ViEmu for a few years which is supposed to be better? It had problems with ctr-i/ctrl-o and switching tabs and some other stuff stuff as well.
Technically no, the standard for Vi says nothing about syntax highlighting. In practice, maybe? The 'Elvis' implementation of Vi adds syntax highlighting for instance.
Not necessarily in line with what the SO question is asking for, but this is by far the best thing I have ever added to my .vimrc:
" make space execute the 'q' macro (press qq to start recording, q to stop,
" then [space] to execute. super convenient)
noremap <Space> @q
This streamlines making and executing macros to such a degree that I'll often do that instead of merely making 3 or 4 complex series of edits manually. You just perform the edit once, then get in a few satisfying "thwocks" on the spacebar.
(Note that to effectively create macros on the fly, you need to have a firm grasp on vi "as an editing language". If you are merely moving around with hjkl and otherwise treating it like nano, you aren't going to get much mileage out of this unless everything you are working on has the same number of lines.)
Learning muscle memory for nonstandard mappings is a bad idea. I used "jk" as an escape for a long time. It's nicer than using esc, but no other program that has vim emulation supports mappings like that.
Also, you can do <num>@q (e.g. 4@q) anyways, and @@ to repeat a macro, so that isn't that useful of a remapping anyways.
Eh, I disagree. First, vim emulation is horrific -- absolutely horrific. With the exception of ViEmu, and possibly the new Emacs one (haven't had the chance to try it), there's not a single good Vim emulator. Second, @@ is two keystrokes, and it's incredibly annoying to type @@n@@n@@n@@n@@n@@n in order to invoke the macro 6 times. " n n n n n n" is much easier.
What do you mean by "n"? Moving to the next position in a search? You can structure a macro to end with going to the position of next edit. Then you can hit 100@@ or whatever and do all of the edits in one go.
Most of the time you want to individually review each instance of what the macro is doing before invoking it, so 100@@ is rarely used. (At least by me.)
evil-mode is fantastic. (I think it might be the new one you haven't tried yet) combined with key-chord mode, it will handle the "jk mapped to esc" use case, I have mine mapped to "jj"
> Learning muscle memory for nonstandard mappings is a bad idea.
People, especially vi users (compared to Emacs users, who in my experience have few qualms about heavily customizing their editor), like to say that, but in my many years of experience I just can't say this is true in practice. I don't use coworkers' accounts so alien configurations never trip me up, and when I find myself working on a prod host that doesn't have my configuration, I just don't find myself tripping up in practice (if I had to guess, perhaps the absence of my custom color scheme in those cases may be flipping a 'go back to compat mode' switch in my head).
I do not use any other programs that have "vim emulation". Tried that firefox 'total conversion mod' a while ago and hated it.
Executing macros the regular way is what I do for all macros I want to be long-lived (@q can get overwritten a dozen of times or more an hour for me, so complex operations I want to keep around longer I store in other registers), but even @@ does not have the low mental barrier to entry and satisfying nature that "twock" on a nice loud keyboard has.
(instead of [esc] for escape, I use [capslock] on windows and linux while on thinkpads, and [find](actually super) on linux on my chromebook. xmodmap/autohotkeys/xcape has my bases covered there.)
personally my favourite is I mapped 'jk' and 'kj' in insert mode to Esc, to get to the normal mode from insert mode. type 'i' to get into insert mode and then just press my fore finger and ring finger at the same time on the home row, it can register 'jk' or 'kj' and takes me to normal mode.
Search/replace the word under the cursor in the current paragraph (for <leader>r) or the whole buffer (for <leader>R). Beats the crap out of "multiple cursors" in the typical "change a variable name" example:
Another approach of the typical "multiple cursors" example, using the beautiful gn command. Hit ,x to "change" the word under the cursor then <Esc> and repeat for the next occurrences with the dot (or n to skip):
In my lightweight "noplugin" vimrc (used on remote machines) I have these as well:
set wildcharm=<C-z>
set path=.,**
" juggling with files
nnoremap ,f :find<Space>
nnoremap ,s :sfind<Space>
nnoremap ,v :vert sfind<Space>
" juggling with buffers
nnoremap ,b :buffer <C-z>
" juggling with tags
nnoremap ,t :tjump /
nnoremap ,p :ptjump /
Beside all those custom mappings, macros, Ex commands, motions, text-object and in general the whole "grammar" that ties everything are killer features.
Hit jj instead of <Esc> which many people find too far.
inoremap jj <ESC>
Exchange ; and : because : is used a lot and you need to press Shift (on an american keyboard) while ; is less used and available without a modifier key:
nnoremap ; :
vnoremap ; :
\v means "use verymagic mode for the rest of the pattern", normally, you'd have to use a lot of backslashes to escape parentheses and other "spacial" characters but "verymagic" allows you o type less and obtain more readable patterns. Example:
/f\(oo\)ba\[zr\]
/\vf(oo)ba[zr]
With these mappings, search-based navigation is a lot less expensive because it use s "verymagic" by default:
:cnext, :cprevious and friends are quickfix commands: thay allow you to navigate through the errors displayed in the quickfix window without using the window itself. Even in their shortened form (:cn, :cp, :cfir, :cla) they represent a lot of typing and a good occasion to create much more useful mappings:
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I go into a good amount of depth of how to get away from memorization and into thinking and having it happen.
In contrast, using emacs (which I have likely outed myself as a user of, via my above notation ;)) or vi require you to be more mindful (at first) of what you are doing while editing text. Both tools are likely to be frustrating if you don't think of things in a way that matches the worldview that each was built with.
To be a programmer, you have to learn a programming language. Learning an editor is easier than that. A lot of programmers probably don't invest the time to learn an editor, but it not much time in the long run, and it's worth learning your tools.
What? The Jargon File lists it, and it is different from "understanding" to the point where "understanding" is further qualified in the definition. It came from 'Stranger in a Strange Land'.
It's as big of a difference as speaking German with an accent is from being fluent (along with thinking and dreaming in the language). Understanding "grok" is like understanding the German concept of "friend"-vs-"acquaintance" and thinking about your own friends in the same way, rather than our American way of "everyone's my friend". (In German culture, most people -- coworkers, teammates, etc -- are not __friends__. They're people you know, and maybe know well, but "friend" is much more similar to an American's concept of a "best friend", or group thereof. (I have about three.)
... none of that explains what "grok" means as well as reading the book. Wikipedia [1] doesn't quite even cover it, but has a good collection of newer uses of it that help.
In the case of this article, "grok" is entirely appropriate. It might even be the best word. As a user, I can figure out commands in vim, I can use a cheat sheet, but until I start thinking about using the tool in a way which fully embraces the tool in the way it was meant to be used (e.g., verbs + marks), I'll always be a poor and dissatisfied user.
1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok
That being said, I do feel gimped in other editors without vi(m) commands. Most editors do have vim modes, but it doesn't quite feel the same.
Really learning to use vim effectively involves learning to think about text differently. It's about training your mind to think in terms of text objects and exploring the various ways to manipulate those objects.
The truth is that "vim mode" generally boils down to using h,j,k,l in lieu of arrow keys and a token nod to the idea of normal mode vs. command mode.
But, honestly, that's ok. Vim exists--why do I need another editor to behave like vim?
i - enter insert mode. ESC - leave insert mode. ZZ - save and quit :q! - quit without saving.
Since, in insert mode, vim basically behaves like a simple notepad, that's really all you need.
FYI, if you want a "simple," notepad like editor for console on linux, check out nano.
http://www.nano-editor.org
Perhaps the real question is do we want to attract more newbies? Why do we want to attract newbies? If more non-technical users are the solution to our problems, then why is Android (with their legions of newbies) such an absolute shitfest compared to traditional Linux distros?
KDE used to have some built in remote editing stuff in Konqueror, I don't know if it's still there or got moved into Dolphin, or removed.
Games and Notepad++ are the only real reasons I have had for using Windows on my desktop instead of Linux.
http://kate-editor.org/about-kate/
It's "vi imitation" mode is shit though.
"Development" is a loaded word given your usage. As such, I disagree that IDEs are "much nicer tools for development."
Which is one of the many reasons why people (including myself) don't consider IDEs as a nicer tool for the job.
> but ide's are much nicer tools for development
Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does.
> Just because you think they are doesn't mean everyone else does.
? Of course, it's just my opinion.
This is mundane: "IDEs work much better for me."
This is controversial (and probably silly): "IDEs are the best."
Maybe the intent is obvious, but it wasn't to me and at least one other poster.
http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-...
(Note that to effectively create macros on the fly, you need to have a firm grasp on vi "as an editing language". If you are merely moving around with hjkl and otherwise treating it like nano, you aren't going to get much mileage out of this unless everything you are working on has the same number of lines.)
Also, you can do <num>@q (e.g. 4@q) anyways, and @@ to repeat a macro, so that isn't that useful of a remapping anyways.
edit: but . doesn't work for macros, as was pointed out.
<esc>qqq //clear q macro qq //start recording q macro /foo // search for something 3clbar // do some edit @q // call q macro q //done recording @q //invoke q macro
No need to guess how many times to call your macro.
(key-chord-define evil-insert-state-map "jj" 'evil-normal-state)
vrapper (for eclipse) is on par with emacs evil, actually.
https://github.com/vrapper/vrapper
People, especially vi users (compared to Emacs users, who in my experience have few qualms about heavily customizing their editor), like to say that, but in my many years of experience I just can't say this is true in practice. I don't use coworkers' accounts so alien configurations never trip me up, and when I find myself working on a prod host that doesn't have my configuration, I just don't find myself tripping up in practice (if I had to guess, perhaps the absence of my custom color scheme in those cases may be flipping a 'go back to compat mode' switch in my head).
I do not use any other programs that have "vim emulation". Tried that firefox 'total conversion mod' a while ago and hated it.
Executing macros the regular way is what I do for all macros I want to be long-lived (@q can get overwritten a dozen of times or more an hour for me, so complex operations I want to keep around longer I store in other registers), but even @@ does not have the low mental barrier to entry and satisfying nature that "twock" on a nice loud keyboard has.
(instead of [esc] for escape, I use [capslock] on windows and linux while on thinkpads, and [find](actually super) on linux on my chromebook. xmodmap/autohotkeys/xcape has my bases covered there.)
Personally, I disable the line-numbers column altogether (and display the current column:line in the status bar).
[1] https://github.com/justinmk/vim-sneak/
Hit jj instead of <Esc> which many people find too far.
Exchange ; and : because : is used a lot and you need to press Shift (on an american keyboard) while ; is less used and available without a modifier key: \v means "use verymagic mode for the rest of the pattern", normally, you'd have to use a lot of backslashes to escape parentheses and other "spacial" characters but "verymagic" allows you o type less and obtain more readable patterns. Example: With these mappings, search-based navigation is a lot less expensive because it use s "verymagic" by default: :cnext, :cprevious and friends are quickfix commands: thay allow you to navigate through the errors displayed in the quickfix window without using the window itself. Even in their shortened form (:cn, :cp, :cfir, :cla) they represent a lot of typing and a good occasion to create much more useful mappings: nmap means "normal mode mapping".nnoremap means "non-recursive normal mode mapping", see learnvimscriptthehardway.stevelosh.com/chapters/05.html#nonrecursive-mapping
vnoremap means "non-recursive visual and select mode mapping", it should be xnoremap (visual mode only).
<silent> means "don't print the executed command".